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100 points for $49 worth of Veritas practice GMATs FREE VERITAS PRACTICE GMAT EXAMS Earn 10 Points Per Post Earn 10 Points Per Thanks Earn 10 Points Per Upvote combinatorics problem tagged by: Brent@GMATPrepNow This topic has 8 expert replies and 7 member replies Goto page • 1, • 2 combinatorics problem Can someone give me tips on how to crack this question. The Carson family will purchase three used cars. There are two models of cars available, Model A and Model B, each of which is available in four colors: blue, black, red, and green. How many different combinations of three cars can the Carsons select if all the cars are to be different colors? 24 32 48 60 192 GMAT/MBA Expert GMAT Instructor Joined 08 Dec 2008 Posted: 12655 messages Followed by: 1245 members Upvotes: 5254 GMAT Score: 770 hch33ma@hotmail.com wrote: The Carson family will purchase three used cars. There are two models of cars available, Model A and Model B, each of which is available in four colors: blue, black, red, and green. How many different combinations of three cars can the Carsons select if all the cars are to be different colors? 24 32 48 60 192 Take the task of selecting cars and break it into stages. Stage 1: Select 3 different colors. Since the order in which we select the colors does not matter, we can use combinations. We can select 3 colors from 4 colors in 4C3 ways (4 ways). Stage 2: For one color, choose a model There are two models (A or B) so this stage can be accomplished in 2 ways. Stage 3: For another color, choose a model There are two models (A or B) so this stage can be accomplished in 2 ways. Stage 4: For the last remaining color, choose a model There are two models (A or B) so this stage can be accomplished in 2 ways. By the Fundamental Counting Principle (FCP) we can complete all 4 stages (and thus select the 3 cars) in (4)(2)(2)(2) ways (= 32 ways) Cheers, Brent If anyone is interested, we have a free video on calculating combinations (like 4C3) in your head: http://www.gmatprepnow.com/module/gmat-counting?id=789 Aside: For more information about the FCP, we have a free video on the subject: http://www.gmatprepnow.com/module/gmat-counting?id=775 _________________ Brent Hanneson – Creator of GMATPrepNow.com Use our video course along with Sign up for our free Question of the Day emails And check out all of our free resources GMAT Prep Now's comprehensive video course can be used in conjunction with Beat The GMAT’s FREE 60-Day Study Guide and reach your target score in 2 months! GMAT/MBA Expert GMAT Instructor Joined 25 May 2010 Posted: 15103 messages Followed by: 1859 members Upvotes: 13060 GMAT Score: 790 _________________ Mitch Hunt Private Tutor for the GMAT and GRE GMATGuruNY@gmail.com If you find one of my posts helpful, please take a moment to click on the "UPVOTE" icon. Available for tutoring in NYC and long-distance. For more information, please email me at GMATGuruNY@gmail.com. Student Review #1 Student Review #2 Student Review #3 Free GMAT Practice Test How can you improve your test score if you don't know your baseline score? Take a free online practice exam. Get started on achieving your dream score today! Sign up now. Newbie | Next Rank: 10 Posts Joined 22 Jun 2012 Posted: 3 messages Thank you so much Brent and GMAT Guru. Makes much more sense now. Will apply to future problems. Junior | Next Rank: 30 Posts Joined 24 Apr 2013 Posted: 17 messages Hi, Does it matter how we setup the stages? I am a little confused when you say "For one color, choose a model ". Can it be solved in the manner below; Stage 1: Possibilities for color, 4C3= 4 Stage 2: Select a model for 3 cars where we have 2 choices for each car. 2x2x2=8 Result: 8x4 =32 So instead of focusing on the color we focus on the choice of model available and the color combination can come from 4C3. Thanks! GMAT/MBA Expert Elite Legendary Member Joined 23 Jun 2013 Posted: 10071 messages Followed by: 494 members Upvotes: 2867 GMAT Score: 800 Hi smkhan, Yes, you can "do the math" in the way that you described. GMAT Quant questions can often be solved in a variety of ways, so it pays to be flexible. Knowing more than one approach to questions will give you options (and could save you some significant time, if you can spot the "fast" way to answer a question among the various approaches). Permutation, Combination and Probability questions are often just "shades" of the same concepts, so these questions can be solved in more than one way. GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made, Rich _________________ Contact Rich at Rich.C@empowergmat.com GMAT/MBA Expert GMAT Instructor Joined 08 Dec 2008 Posted: 12655 messages Followed by: 1245 members Upvotes: 5254 GMAT Score: 770 _________________ Brent Hanneson – Creator of GMATPrepNow.com Use our video course along with Sign up for our free Question of the Day emails And check out all of our free resources GMAT Prep Now's comprehensive video course can be used in conjunction with Beat The GMAT’s FREE 60-Day Study Guide and reach your target score in 2 months! Legendary Member Joined 12 May 2015 Posted: 518 messages Upvotes: 10 Test Date: 3 Oct Target GMAT Score: 750 GMATGuruNY wrote: this question statement itself asks for How many combinations. but everyone is counting permutations. I also counted till 192 only using slot method. Please suggest how to decide whether to divide the answer by factorial of number of places. GMAT/MBA Expert GMAT Instructor Joined 25 May 2010 Posted: 15103 messages Followed by: 1859 members Upvotes: 13060 GMAT Score: 790 nikhilgmat31 wrote: I also counted till 192 only using slot method. Please suggest how to decide whether to divide the answer by factorial of number of places. I explain why we must divide by 3! here: http://www.beatthegmat.com/pls-clear-my-doubt-mgmat-cat-t85743.html _________________ Mitch Hunt Private Tutor for the GMAT and GRE GMATGuruNY@gmail.com If you find one of my posts helpful, please take a moment to click on the "UPVOTE" icon. Available for tutoring in NYC and long-distance. For more information, please email me at GMATGuruNY@gmail.com. Student Review #1 Student Review #2 Student Review #3 Free GMAT Practice Test How can you improve your test score if you don't know your baseline score? Take a free online practice exam. Get started on achieving your dream score today! Sign up now. GMAT/MBA Expert Elite Legendary Member Joined 23 Jun 2013 Posted: 10071 messages Followed by: 494 members Upvotes: 2867 GMAT Score: 800 Hi nikhilgmat31, You can also approach the prompt 'one car at a time' We have two Models of cars and 4 possible colors, so there are initially 8 different cars available. We're asked for the number of different combinations of 3 cars with 3 DIFFERENT COLORS. For the 1st car, there are 8 options. Once we pick one, we've removed one of the colors.... For the 2nd car, there are now 6 options (each of the two Models in each of the remaining 3 colors). Once we pick one, we're removed another color... For the 3rd car, there are now 4 options (each of the two Models in each of the remaining 2 colors). So, at first glance, it might appear that there are (8)(6)(4) possibilities. HOWEVER, we've done a permutation so far, but the order of the cars DOES NOT MATTER, so we have to adjust the calculation... If we called the specific cars X, Y and Z, then there are 6 different 'orders' that we could choose those 3 cars... XYZ XZY YXZ YZX ZXY ZYX But those are NOT 6 different outcomes - it's the same outcome 6 different times. When we're asked for combinations, we're not allowed to count 'duplicates.' Thus, we have to divide our prior total by 6... 192/6 = 32 Final Answer: B GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made, Rich _________________ Contact Rich at Rich.C@empowergmat.com Legendary Member Joined 12 May 2015 Posted: 518 messages Upvotes: 10 Test Date: 3 Oct Target GMAT Score: 750 Thanks Rich, I got you, basically picking the RED car at the first place or the last place doesn't matter so it is combination of cars. I clearly remember nCr = n!/r!(n-r)! nPr = n!/r! But I am always confused if order of items matter then number of options of placement will be more or less. But now I got it that if order matters number of options will be more ... so as in permutations. --> One more question. Most of times we simply calculate the total by just using the number of options in first place & second place & so on... & then multiple all of them to get final total. But some times we use nCr method for it. How to choose among a simple factorial or nCr or nPr. Legendary Member Joined 12 May 2015 Posted: 518 messages Upvotes: 10 Test Date: 3 Oct Target GMAT Score: 750 Also how to understand Combinations with Repetitions , It seems very complex to me. GMAT/MBA Expert Elite Legendary Member Joined 23 Jun 2013 Posted: 10071 messages Followed by: 494 members Upvotes: 2867 GMAT Score: 800 Hi nikhilgmat31, The biggest 'clue' is usually in the way that the prompt is written. Certain words almost always 'point' to a certain type of math/logic ("combinations" implies the Combination Formula; "arrangements" implies Permutations, etc.). If you're not clear on what approach to take, then you have to think about the 'logic' behind the question that is asked. In this prompt, we're really just dealing with groups of 3 cars - nothing in the wording implies that the order of the cars matters, so this has to ultimately be about combinations. GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made, Rich _________________ Contact Rich at Rich.C@empowergmat.com Legendary Member Joined 12 May 2015 Posted: 518 messages Upvotes: 10 Test Date: 3 Oct Target GMAT Score: 750 Thanks Rich, It is crystal clear now. Newbie | Next Rank: 10 Posts Joined 21 Apr 2016 Posted: 9 messages Brent@GMATPrepNow wrote: hch33ma@hotmail.com wrote: The Carson family will purchase three used cars. There are two models of cars available, Model A and Model B, each of which is available in four colors: blue, black, red, and green. How many different combinations of three cars can the Carsons select if all the cars are to be different colors? 24 32 48 60 192 Take the task of selecting cars and break it into stages. Stage 1: Select 3 different colors. Since the order in which we select the colors does not matter, we can use combinations. We can select 3 colors from 4 colors in 4C3 ways (4 ways). Stage 2: For one color, choose a model There are two models (A or B) so this stage can be accomplished in 2 ways. Stage 3: For another color, choose a model There are two models (A or B) so this stage can be accomplished in 2 ways. Stage 4: For the last remaining color, choose a model There are two models (A or B) so this stage can be accomplished in 2 ways. By the Fundamental Counting Principle (FCP) we can complete all 4 stages (and thus select the 3 cars) in (4)(2)(2)(2) ways (= 32 ways) Cheers, Brent If anyone is interested, we have a free video on calculating combinations (like 4C3) in your head: http://www.gmatprepnow.com/module/gmat-counting?id=789 Aside: For more information about the FCP, we have a free video on the subject: http://www.gmatprepnow.com/module/gmat-counting?id=775 Hi Brent, Thanks a lot for your wonderful explanation. However, I have difficulties in breaking a task into stages. For example, in this question, why can we first select the model and then the color for each model? I understand that the variety of models is less than the number of cars to be selected still I don't feel very confident about it. 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