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Osirus's Grammar Lesson for the day: Relative Modifiers


The relative modifiers are: which, that, who, whom, whose, when, where.

which can only modify things and is a non-essential modifier

that can only modify things and is an essential modifier

who can only modify people and is a pronoun in the nominative (subjective) case

whom can only modify people and is a pronoun in the objective case

whose can modify people or things.

When can only refer to a specific time period or a specific instance when something occurs

Where can only refer to a physical location only. If you see where and its not referring to a specific place, you should probably use "in which" instead.

AWA advice (courtesy of Veritas Prep )

When you are taking your practice tests, take the time to develop a template for your essays. For example, each essay should consist of at least 5 paragraphs (anything less and the computer will penalize you). Additionally, get comfortable using the transition words that you plan to use on the essay. A sample template for the 5 paragraphs looks like this:

Paragraph 1: Intro

Paragraph 2: Unsupported assumption that the author makes 1

Paragraph 3: Unsupported assumption that the author makes 2

Paragraph 4: Anticipate the refutes that critics of your essay would possibly bring up

Paragraph 5: Conclusion

Just like that you will have a 4-6 essay.

Thanks osirus0830. I have been a die hard Manhattan fan as their tips and tricks worked well for the mock tests. But in the actual GMAT (taken last weekend) i realized Manhattan Verbal is not as good as it's Quant . I scored a 51 in Quants, but messed up badly in Verbal. I will definitely try to get my hands on Veritas this time (for Verbal) .

osirus0830 wrote:Osirus's Grammar Lesson for the day: Relative Modifiers

When can only refer to a specific time period or a specific instance when something occurs

Where can only refer to a physical location only. If you see where and its not referring to a specific place, you should probably use "in which" instead.

Similarly, use "When" if you want to refer to a specific age; Use "in which" if you want to refer to a specific period of time.

Why are u not updating this anymore? It's been 2 days since the last update

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osirus0830 wrote:Osirus's Grammar Lesson for the day: Relative Modifiers


The relative modifiers are: which, that, who, whom, whose, when, where.

which can only modify things and is a non-essential modifier

that can only modify things and is an essential modifier

who can only modify people and is a pronoun in the nominative (subjective) case

whom can only modify people and is a pronoun in the objective case

whose can modify people or things.

When can only refer to a specific time period or a specific instance when something occurs

Where can only refer to a physical location only. If you see where and its not referring to a specific place, you should probably use "in which" instead.

osirus,

could you cite some examples of the usage of "whom"?

yea and also more examples to easily differentiate b/w who and whom

rahul.s wrote:

osirus0830 wrote:Osirus's Grammar Lesson for the day: Relative Modifiers


The relative modifiers are: which, that, who, whom, whose, when, where.

which can only modify things and is a non-essential modifier

that can only modify things and is an essential modifier

who can only modify people and is a pronoun in the nominative (subjective) case

whom can only modify people and is a pronoun in the objective case

whose can modify people or things.

When can only refer to a specific time period or a specific instance when something occurs

Where can only refer to a physical location only. If you see where and its not referring to a specific place, you should probably use "in which" instead.

osirus,

could you cite some examples of the usage of "whom"?

you know what helped me the most in learning when to use who vs. whom. I've always know about switching the sentence around and answering the question, substituting He or Him.. but it wasn't until my GMAT instructor said it out loud to the class that it really sank in. Now I haven't gotten any who/whom questions wrong.

determining the object of the sentence is key, but having someone verbally explain this to you, so that you can think about the usage is even key(er)

money,

how do you distinguish between "who" and "whom"? i almost always get such problems incorrect. could you suggest a strategy?

money,

even i am facing a similar problem mentioned by rahul

Could u help us out ?

How to distinguish b/w who and whom ?

Thanks

money9111 wrote:you know what helped me the most in learning when to use who vs. whom. I've always know about switching the sentence around and answering the question, substituting He or Him.. but it wasn't until my GMAT instructor said it out loud to the class that it really sank in. Now I haven't gotten any who/whom questions wrong.

determining the object of the sentence is key, but having someone verbally explain this to you, so that you can think about the usage is even key(er)

bhumika.k.shah wrote:money,

even i am facing a similar problem mentioned by rahul

Could u help us out ?

How to distinguish b/w who and whom ?

Thanks

Who and whoever are for subjects.
Who and whoever also follow and complete the meaning of linking verbs. In grammarspeak, who and whoever serve as linking verb complements.
Whom and whomever are for objects - all kinds of objects (direct, indirect, of prepositions, of infinitives, and so on).
check out these sample sentences to understand..

Whoever needs help from Lochness is going to wait a long time. (Whoever is the subject of the verb needs.)

Who is calling Lulu at this time of night? (Who is the subject of the verb is calling.)

"I don't care whom you ask to the prom," exclaimed Legghorn unconvincingly. (Whom is the direct object of the verb ask.)

The mustard-yellow belt is for whomever she designates as the hot dog eating champion. (Whomever is the direct object of the verb designates.)

For whom are you bellowing? (Whom is the object of the preposition for.)

bhumika.k.shah wrote:money,

even i am facing a similar problem mentioned by rahul

Could u help us out ?

How to distinguish b/w who and whom ?

Thanks

money9111 wrote:you know what helped me the most in learning when to use who vs. whom. I've always know about switching the sentence around and answering the question, substituting He or Him.. but it wasn't until my GMAT instructor said it out loud to the class that it really sank in. Now I haven't gotten any who/whom questions wrong.

determining the object of the sentence is key, but having someone verbally explain this to you, so that you can think about the usage is even key(er)

Mainly I note that people are confused about the usage of whom.
Ex:-"Whom were you talking to?" just sounds a little uptight, doesn't it?

Now,I will give an example when who and whom are used in the similar context :-
Who is at the door?
Whom did you see at the door?

Now,the reason why both the usages are correct is beacause:- who is always used as the subject of a sentence or clause, and whom is always used as an object.

In the first sentence of the set above, who is the subject. In the second sentence, you is the subject and whom is the direct object.

Whom did you recommend for the job?
Are there any people whom you would recommend?

Notice, in both sentences, you is the subject. Whom is the object of the verb recommend.

For details you can also refer to the following links:-
https://as.dummies.com/how-to/content/ch ... -whom.html
https://www.englishpage.com/minitutorials/who_whom.html - [Only for basic concepts]

If you are confident about the usage,just give it a go at the following test:-
https://abowman.wikispaces.com/file/view/who+vs+whom.doc
Then you can analyse your result.

I'm feeling good about my prep. Best I've ever felt. I should be ready in about six weeks or so. A new post on reading comprehension coming soon.