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by ngk4mba3236 » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:21 am
Thai village crafts, as with other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

(A) as with
(B) as did those of
(C) as they have in
(D) like in
(E) like those of

OA is E
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by ngk4mba3236 » Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:00 am
Hi Experts,
Any feedback on the above Qs ?

It'd be great if you please share your detail analysis.Thanks!
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by thang » Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:59 am
realizing grammatical role of each phrase (grammatical roles means this phrase modify what phrase), we dicide which meaning is most logic in context of the sentence.
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by GMATGuruNY » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:29 am
ngk4mba3236 wrote:Thai village crafts, as with other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

(A) as with
(B) as did those of
(C) as they have in
(D) like in
(E) like those of
Only LIKE THINGS may be compared.
A: Thai village crafts, as with other cultures
Here, CRAFTS are illogically compared to CULTURES.
Eliminate A.

Just as a pronoun serves to stand in for an ANTECEDENT NOUN, does/do/did serve to stand in for an ANTECEDENT VERB.
The antecedent verb must PRECEDE the usage of does/do/did.
B: Thai village crafts, as did other cultures
Here, no antecedent verb precedes the usage of did.
Eliminate B.

A participle (VERBed or VERBing) may be omitted only if it appears in the SAME FORM earlier in the sentence.
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C: Thai village crafts, as they have [developed] in other cultures, have developed
Here, the participle in brackets is implied, but -- since this participle does NOT appear earlier in the sentence -- it may NOT be omitted.
Eliminate C.

A preposition such as like must be followed by a NOUN serving as the OBJECT of the preposition.
D: Thai village crafts, like in other cultures
Here, in other cultures (modifier) cannot serve as the object of like.
Eliminate D.

The correct answer is E.
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by ngk4mba3236 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:34 pm
hi gmatguru,
please let me know your thoughts in the following TWO cases:

1. In option C, they seems to refer to Thai village crafts, distorting the MEANING of the COMPARISON. So, it's an ERROR also. Right ?


2. in the OA, what does those modify actually -- is it Thai village crafts or ONLY village crafts ?

P.S: although from the MEANING perspective, it seems that the referent of those should ONLY be village crafts, however i don't get it clearly how any attached modifier of a NOUN-Phrase can NOT be considered together with the same NOUN-Phrase ? in GMAT, don't we consider any modifier attached to a NOUN or a NOUN-Phrase altogether as an ANTECEDENT of a pronoun ?
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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:56 am
ngk4mba3236 wrote:hi gmatguru,
please let me know your thoughts in the following TWO cases:

1. In option C, they seems to refer to Thai village crafts, distorting the MEANING of the COMPARISON. So, it's an ERROR also. Right ?
Correct.
Third-person pronouns include he, him, his, she, her, they, them, their, it, its.
When a third-person pronoun replaces a noun, it must serve to refer not only to the antecedent noun but also to any attached modifiers.
C implies the following:
Thai village crafts, as they have [developed] in other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function.
Here, they seems to refer to Thai village crafts -- the antecedent noun crafts, along with its attached modifiers -- implying that THAI VILLAGE CRAFTS have developed IN OTHER CULTURES.
Not the intended meaning.
Eliminate C.
2. in the OA, what does those modify actually -- is it Thai village crafts or ONLY village crafts ?

P.S: although from the MEANING perspective, it seems that the referent of those should ONLY be village crafts, however i don't get it clearly how any attached modifier of a NOUN-Phrase can NOT be considered together with the same NOUN-Phrase ? in GMAT, don't we consider any modifier attached to a NOUN or a NOUN-Phrase altogether as an ANTECEDENT of a pronoun ?
those is not a modifier but a demonstrative pronoun.
Demonstrative pronouns are this, these, that, those.
Unlike a third-person pronoun, a demonstrative pronoun serves to refer ONLY to the antecedent noun, WITHOUT any attached modifiers.
In the OA, those serves to refer to crafts (the antecedent noun without its attached modifiers).
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by Crystal W » Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:09 pm
In The explanations of B and D, OG said as have those of other cultures should follow the main verb. Can you explain why?
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by GMATGuruNY » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:11 pm
Crystal W wrote:In The explanations of B and D, OG said as have those of other cultures should follow the main verb. Can you explain why?
In my post above, I explain why did (in B) and have (in C) cannot precede the main verb.
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by Crystal W » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:24 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote:
Crystal W wrote:In The explanations of B and D, OG said as have those of other cultures should follow the main verb. Can you explain why?
In my post above, I explain why did (in B) and have (in C) cannot precede the main verb.
Do you mean because they are ellipsis, they have to occur after main verb?
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by Mo2men » Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:14 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote:
ngk4mba3236 wrote:Thai village crafts, as with other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

(A) as with
(B) as did those of
(C) as they have in
(D) like in
(E) like those of
Only LIKE THINGS may be compared.
A: Thai village crafts, as with other cultures
Here, CRAFTS are illogically compared to CULTURES.
Eliminate A.
Dear GMATGuru,

Does 'as with' or 'as in' idiomatic in GMAT? I know that 'as' must be used with clauses? Is there any ellipsis?
Can we consider 'as with crafts of other cultures' correct?

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by GMATGuruNY » Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:04 am
Mo2men wrote:Dear GMATGuru,

Does 'as with' or 'as in' idiomatic in GMAT? I know that 'as' must be used with clauses? Is there any ellipsis?
Can we consider 'as with crafts of other cultures' correct?

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These phrases are valid if the sentence offers a parallel with-modifier or in-modifier.
An official SC in GMAT Prep:
In Hungary, as in much of eastern Europe, an overwhelming proportion of women work.
Here, the usage of as in is valid because the prepositional modifier in blue is parallel with the prepositional modifier in green.

Option A in the SC above:
Thai village crafts, as with other cultures, have developed through the principle.
Here, the prepositional modifier in red lacks a parallel form, so the usage of as with is invalid.
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