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by ngufo » Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:45 am
Kiskopata,
Went thru both your posts. Firstly extremely sorry for replying a little late - I've got family visiting, and got really bogged down with office and work at home. Secondly - you are doing a great job - 680/710 in your GMAT CAT tests implies that your final score will be very close to that.

On the verbal side, are yo making sur eyou are making flash cards, for anything you get wrong on Sentence correction?You may also want to read the Manhattan Sentence Correction book (it provides a lot of good guidance on that front).

I read your approach on RC/SC/CR - it sounds good to me kiskopata.
Which specific area in verbal is your score getting pulled down? Are you consistently not able to ace a specific area, or is the score, down on an average? For me, my biggest problem was RC/CR, and i broke down the barrier after a lot of of practise. I sent this post previously to a post in the forum, please do read thru it, it describes in detail what I did in the three sections. Ultimately for me it came down to trying a lot of different things, but mainly practise. it was harder for me as I have retention issues - but the end of the day, just focusing on the task at hand, and giong at it with no mind (no concept of distraction), really really helped. I know this sounds cheesy, but when you believe that everything in your life that could be important to you, is dependent on the damn questions in the GMAT, suddenly the focus and will power comes :(.

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You make me remember the same pain I went thru when studying for the GMAT. It was excruciating (RC, CR as well as SC) . Let me first start with a very small thing I did which helped me save crazy amount of time - took me some time to figure it out.

Before every question in verbal that I answered I would the following before even reading the question.

7.35
1. A B C D E

7.39
2. A B C D E

The 7.35, 7.39 is the time when I start to answer each question. It would give me a very good idea of how much time I had spent on each question. ( above it shows me that I had spent 4 minutes on question 1). I would know that I had spent a lot of time, and need to pace myself better. The only area I know I could save time was SC, would try to do that, plus it also helped because if I came across a particularly hard question that I knew would take me time, instead of spending another 4 minutes on it (given taht I knew I was running out of time), i would make a best guess on it sooner.

Based on what you have written, it sounds like you are already doing a good job of timing yourself - trust me that is the MOST IMPORTANT THING. Once you get your timing good, I fervently believe that half of the problem for preparing for GMAT is gone. So that is a good first step. The 1 is the question number, and The A B C D E written is the answer choices. Before even reading the question I would write the above down, (it had become a reflex with me). What I would do is that for each answer choice that I was sure is wrong, I would cross the alphabet out (THAT MEANS NO RE-READING THAT ANSWER CHOICE AGAIN). I saved precious time. The ones that had a circle on it, were the ones that could be the potential choices. Wahtever back and forth I did would be between those choices. Once I decided one was out, I would cut that out, adn continue the same process. It really helped me (because beofre, I would end up re-reading all the questions and getting confused which was better than the other). Writing the time and the alphabets should be come a part of you, before even reading writing it on paper, and then starting!!

Now coming to the CR portion. I tried 300 different techniques . I was so screwed up - nothing seemed to work for me . I tried reading the passage, summarizing it and writing the premise and the conclusion. First reading the question then the passage -EVERYTHING. Just like you I kept asking, trying new things, NEVER GAVE UP. Finally what worked for me literally was PRACTISE. After a lot of practice I realized that "when I read the question, and then read the passage, for some reason after reading the passage I felt the need to re-read the question being asked again". I noticed that consistently at least in me. So I stopped reading the question first. I would read the passage, and keep track of the main flow. Then read teh question - based on that, it was easy to cut out 1-2 straight off the bat (on the alphabets - as I did that it saved me a lot of time). After that yes for the remaining choices, its re-reading the passage and going back and forth. The funny thing is that over time, when you TIME EVERY CR passage that you do (I timed every question that I did in the Official Maths guide, offical verbal workbook, as well as the Official guide 10th edition). i didnt do a single question without timing it, write the alphabet, and practise cutting things off, and re-reading the remaining options) over time, I just felt I got the hang of it. It was like one day - CR questions didnt feel so painful anymore. I was able to go thru them relatively painlessly - I had my pattern built. "Immediately write the time, write the question number, write the alphabets, Read the passage well (very very focused), read the question - immediately cut the ones that dont make sense), and then go thru the process of re-reading the passage and making decisions. Once you feel comfortable with what you are diong, stick with it. If you are taking 3 minutes, but comfortable with your technique, and getting it right that is GREAT. Just keep practising and timing. I am very sure, with enough practise, over time, it will get better. In case you are not timing every question in OG make sure you do.

SC: Dude dont try to figure out the solution before reading the answers . That will kill you - I know because that killed me too . I did the exact same for the first 3 months of practise. I HATED SC. i couldnt for the love of god figure out how the hell to get them right. Every damn answer looked good to me!!!!. princeton gave a good technique. See the underlined portion, and then immediately look at the answers (dont even TRY to figure out what should be right). When you see the choices use the 3/2 technique. Based on the answers you will see that 3 questions have similar usage, like " The children have had their dinner and gone to bed". Three choices will show you have and 2 will shwo you has. You immediately no that has is wrong. Cut your alphabets - great now you just have to figure out the remaining three. Now instead of you trying to figure out what is write, compare teh differences between the three ansewrs. Try to see what the author has done different in those three choices. Often times that helped me figure out what was right (most times what I thought should be there never was - not sure if my english is that bad, or GMAT just sucks ).
finally make a flash card for EVERY sentence correction question you get wrong... I know that sounds crazy, but trust me, that alone helped me get very very good at SC. It was hard to remember all the idioms, all the patterns. I also have a problem of basic informatin retention. I forget things very quickly (had this problem since I was small). Read something then forget . So by making flash cards and swriting it down (I have explained how I made the flash cards), and practising the questions reguarly, I would remember how the sentence patterns were. In 6 months I had 4 big business card boxes of flash cards (used my official business cards as flash cards). I would practise them regularly. Keep in min dthe usage (try to answer without looking at th eanswer. Not by memorizing the anser, but by memorizing what was wroing - like oh there is a parallelis error here, there isan applies and oranges error here so on so forth (I used princeton verbal to learn the fundamentals. It explains that very easily). By doing that after 6 months of lots of flash cards and lots of revising I started seeing patterns - it became much more easier. It was only then that I got the Manhattan SC book (it would have been too complicated for me earlier). Later on I was able to add on to my base with the book. (I made flash cards, of important concepts from the book too)

RC: Another painful portion for me. Probably the worst. Given my retention problem by the time I would finish reading the passage, I had completely forgotton what the hell the author was talking about . If you talk about crazy frustration and depression - this area killed me. I remember thinking of buying some mental ability tests, to help me fix my retrention issue, to help me focus. I practiced with soem tools on the web -all it helped was giving me a big headache . I tried everything possible - reading all blogs, asking for help, trying to emulate the techniques people mentioned - nothing worked. Finally with a lot of practise and trying new technique I found a way that worked for me. I realized that the first para and the last para, basically control the entire flow of the passage (introduction and summary para). The paras in middle were like e.gs, or details of some specific thing. If I could keep track of what the first and secon para was talking about, and have a basic understanding of what was in the middle paras, I was able to do a better job of answering my RC. So when I would read, I would read the 1st and last para very carefully. The middle paras, I would skim thru. When flow/passage structure questions were asked (previously I would get them wrong, as I would be reading everything in detail, and forgetting the same after completing the passage). After my new technique I got those questions right. For questions in which they asked a specific question about the passage, it was easy enough to go and re-read a few lines to get the exact answer - BINGO. I was just so excited the day it started working for me. It happened out of the blue - one day nothing was happening the next day it just happend....


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Given ther eisn't too much time, I would tell you to mak esure that you do all the GMAT CAT as well as power prep tests befor the final exam, as well as finish all of the OG books, I think that should make you complete ready for the final finish line.

Having said that, given I am extremely religious, do put in a prayer to god. I fervently believe that after putting in your heart and soul into something, it is only faith and belief in him, that makes sure that the 4 guesses one made in quant, or those 2 questions you werent sure about in verbal, turn out to be absolutely right ..... Once you have sweat blood, and cant do anything any more, when everything you are capable of doing, has been done, when you are waiting for a miracle ........- it does happen .....

I will put in a prayer for you too - I do believe you have put in crazy effort and are giving in your best - dont you dare give up. Keep up the hard work, its only a matter of time .....

take care,
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by ngufo » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:12 am
Hi aim-wsc,
thanks for your kind email. It's good to know that something that was extremely important to me in my life, is now helping other people in a similar situation out. People go thru life trying to figure out how to make a difference - this is my small attempt.

Please let me know what the additional responsibilities will be, and what I need to do? Based on that will get back to you (want to make sure once I say yes, I am totally committed)

Thanks,
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by aim-wsc » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:19 pm
ngufo wrote:Hi aim-wsc,
thanks for your kind email.
Thanks,
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Expect some email/ pm from Eric soon :)

Meanwhile you can check out this thread https://www.beatthegmat.com/new-moderato ... -t593.html
and post a reply if you wish to ;)

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by kiskopata » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:38 pm
Good to finally see your faces aim and eric!
Hopefully I will score good and show my face to the world as well... :P

Thanks for the advice ngufo.

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by aim-wsc » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:36 pm
kiskopata wrote:Good to finally see your faces aim and eric!
Hopefully I will score good and show my face to the world as well... :P

Thanks for the advice ngufo.

July 12th is on my neck..I can feel its breath.
All the best!
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by alejo1575 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:20 pm
Hello Ngufu:
I wonder if you could sent me the soft copy of your PR Math Workout
Cheers,
Paul


ngufo wrote:Hi aim-wsc,
thanks for your kind email. It's good to know that something that was extremely important to me in my life, is now helping other people in a similar situation out. People go thru life trying to figure out how to make a difference - this is my small attempt.

Please let me know what the additional responsibilities will be, and what I need to do? Based on that will get back to you (want to make sure once I say yes, I am totally committed)

Thanks,
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by ngufo » Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:13 am
What is a the email address to mail it to Paul?

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by aim-wsc » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:45 am
ngufo wrote:What is a the email address to mail it to Paul?

-ngufo
You can send him "PM" (private messege)
The button can be found at the bottom of Paul's post.

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by ngufo » Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:32 am
Cool thanks aim-wsc. Will do that

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by alejo1575 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:15 pm
ngufo wrote:What is a the email address to mail it to Paul?

-ngufo
Hello Ekta:
Thanks a lot for your kind reply. Opss ...you are right, ok please send me the soft copy of your book to [email protected]
Cheers,

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PS. I am doing my best to ace the gmat

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by alejo1575 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:26 pm
Hello Ekta:
Some news from you ????
I left you my email in the previos post ... please !!!!!


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ngufo wrote:What is a the email address to mail it to Paul?

-ngufo
Hello Ekta:
Thanks a lot for your kind reply. Opss ...you are right, ok please send me the soft copy of your book to [email protected]
Cheers,

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by ngufo » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:30 am
alejo,
Just sent you the princeton maths copy!

All the best,
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by danielbm » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:14 pm
Hello everybody.
I have been reading this forum since aprox 2 weeks ago. I have read almost every single intervention from the different members and now I start to understand why I failed to nail the GMAT. I am going to tell my distressing history so that I can have an input from the people who have beaten the GMAT so far. In the same way I hope this post could serve also as a model about what should NOT be done for all the people who are initiating their GMAT preparation. I really would appreciate if it is possible to have the comments form: “Ekta-Ngufo”, Erick, mayonnai5e and all people out there who would like to help me.

Before start, I can say that I am a not a native English speaker and I am not strong neither in verbal nor in Quant; However all my life I have been struggling with numbers. The first time I took the GMAT was in Dec 07, I scored 410 (V 24%- Q16%) and I had prepared my self during aprox 3 month. At that time I used 2 books: the OG 11 and the Kaplan premier program 2008. I also did the whole CD that came with the Kaplan premier program book and took the PrepCATsoft (In which I scored near the 400 range).
Base on the first result I decided to enroll in a Kaplan Classroom program (bad decision..). I took the whole course and I studied for other 3 month. I did every single problem that contained this course and I studied and made all the material from the course (There is a bunch of material). I took aprox 10 simulation CATs from Kaplan and I took again 2 PrepCATsoft. I also worked again with OG 11 (Even though I did not do the whole book…but I concentrated in the last 100 for every section).
For the last 4 kaplan test I scored in the range between 540 and 570. However, now in retrospective those scores were not representatives because for lot of questions that appeared in the KaplanCATs I already knew them, because I had worked with them in the CD that came with the Kaplan premier08 book. In the 2 PrepCATsoft I scored in the range between 470 and 490…. However I though at that moment that the results were not representative of my real performance (big mistake) and that I should considered the results obtained in the Kaplan test (big mistake).
The day of the test (April 08,after the 3 month of preparation) I was very nervous, I remember now that I was not even thinking, I could not controlled my self and as a result I scored a pathetic 330!!…… Imagine that… I could not believe when I saw the score and I almost died. I blamed that result to my nerves and I decided to take again the test for the next month. During the days before the third exam I worked with the Verbal OG and the QuantOG I made few more exercises and full length test from the Kaplan material. Even though I do not remember the scores of the simulated Kaplan test they were between the 500 and the 550 range. I took the third GMAT in May and scored a poor 490 (V24%-Q36%).
Because I was not satisfied with this result I decided to take another exam in Jun immediately after the May exam (BIG error). Even though I was not nervous as in the April exam I felt that for the May exam I was not peace at all and that this was the reason of not been able to break at least the 500 barrier. I decided for this last try not to study anything (Don’t ask me where I took that stupid idea) and just relaxed my self. The result a poor 440 (V 30%-Q21%)

Summarizing:
Dec07: 410 (V 24%- Q16%)
Apr08: 330 (V 5% - Q 25%) Who cares!)
May08: 490 (V24%-Q36%)
Jun08: 440 (V 30%-Q21%)
(Look the differences between the verbal and quantitative form may and June…I have no idea)....
Material Used: OG11, VerbalOG, QuantOG, Kaplan Premierprogram08 book, Kaplan classroom prep course.
Total preparation time: 6 month (First time:3 month) (second time:3 month)

Analyzing my mistakes:

o I did not try to find new techniques and new ways and I think this was what killed me. I made thousands of exercises month over month but not trying different techniques until I found the one that best worked for me but instead I made one exercise after the other with the same technique (or without anyone at all) which in conclusion I was not doing any improvement. ….That is why now I am looking for your help to understand what I am doing wrong.

o Something that now analyzing I remember was that I used to fail a same question several times. For example if I failed a question and I tried to make the same question or appeared after a while in a test I failed again.
o I think that I just practice and practice more worrying in quantity than in quality. I think I got obsessed to much with the GMAT. I used to study more than 4 hr in a row (I usually studied 5 hr) and now I think that the brain can not work and process information after to much time of studying.
o I think that OG and Kaplan were too complicated to work from the beginning and maybe that was a mistake. In the other hand I think that Kaplan strategies do not work for me. It is possible that for some people these strategies work but not for me and what I did is that I obligated and pushed my self to use these strategies even though they did not go with me and maybe that was my mistake. Now I think that I have to look for my own strategies, finding the way that allow me to answer the question but not imposing me strategies that just do not work for me or with I do not feel comfortable.
o Weakest areas: In general my weakness is Verbal.
Doing a more detail analysis of my weaknesses: RC (is the section in which I perform the poorest… I have retention & concentration issues, ), CR (After RC the weakest in verbal…sometimes I succeeded and others just didn’t) and DS (even though I really did study hard this part and focused my attention to try to improved it (reason why I think I got the 36% in May) I still make lot of mistakes, is like if I definitely I am not good for that…. I think that my problem is not anymore in the methodology of answering this kind of question but in the theory to be able to identify the answer. Maybe I am not thinking enough…..I do not know.

Now that you can have a better picture of my situation I ask for your help and support in order to suggest me how may I proceed. What should I do this time and how should I prepare my self? I am really confused and I do not know how I should tackle the GMAT this time. I just don’t want to buy a bunch of books for nothing.
In case of new material what books do you recommend me? I was thinking to buy Manhattan books and Princeton books, but I do not know if that is going to work or if that is what I should do…….due to the fact that I studied with lot of material from Kaplan but it seemed did not provide me any improvement. Maybe the problem was not the material but the way I used………????....However I won’t like to work with Kaplan material no more…………
Please help me to understand what should I do. My target score is 650 and I know I can do it. There is nothing impossible in this world and if I have to study 6 month, 1 or 2 years I will do it…..I know that I can do it….. I just need the right guidance. I am willing to do whatever it takes to achieve my dreams. Even though I can not tell you that I am happy for what have happened to me I do can tell you that now I am stronger and because now I understand the game I will beat the GMAT.

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by ngufo » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:11 am
danielbm,
People like you are born to succeed, because they have what very few people have, a mind so strong, that no one can touch them. I read your post, and felt so much pain, it felt like deja vu all over again. It didnt seem to matter that you were not able to make the 650 mark that you want so badly, all that I could see is someone I so totally admire, and respect, for having the courage to go thru the 4 GMATS, and the courage to come straight back up after the gruelling effort to continue to figure out what he had done wrong and fix it. If there is a true champion - it really is you in my eyes.

Having said that, I want to put in a lot of effort in trying to help you out in any way I can. This email is just to let you know that I read your mail both in my yahoo inbox, and here, and I really do care. I promise you that within this week, will send a detailed email out, asking a lot of questions and coming up with a game plan that we can then try and see if it will work?

I've written in my post before, that god comes to us in different shapes, and tells us what we "need" to hear, at the right time. I do believe I needed to read your email, the email inspired me, and pushes me to not give up even further. I am going thru a rough patch, and I really believe your email was a knock on the door saying - don't get your mind weak babe, dont let anything deter you, the day you give up, is the day that you mentally die ... what then is left in life?

"Sometimes we are brought to our knees, because it is only from that position that we can begin to rise... ". And I am sure, that you will rise to the success, and happiness, that you seek, adn more importantly deserve.....

I pray to god he allows me to provide you with everything in my power, to help you move on and ace the GMAT. That will be one success story, that I would love to hear more than anything else,

Take care, detailed email coming soon,
-ngufo
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