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danielchu: Junior | Next Rank: 30 Posts; Posts: 13; Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:50 am; Thanked: 2 times; GMAT Score:640

by danielchu » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:47 pm

Hi,

I made my second attempt to the GMAT. This time I got 640 (Q: 47, V: 30) comparing with my last score: 540 (Q: 44, V:21).

I will take it one more time on January 3rd (2 days after my birthday), and I need some advices.

This time around, I finished my Q around 7 mins in advance. I feel I was well paced; however, given my score, I think I had some challenges in the difficult set of questions.

In V, I still ran out of time due to my RC. I got 2 short passages and 2 long passages. The first long passage, which came after the first killed lots of my time. So I guessed about 3 to 4 CRs and rushed my last SC at question 41.

Clearly, I think I need some advices on improving my RC speed and advance math practices.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:47 pm

Very nice improvement - congratulations! I know you're still hoping to get better, but take a moment to savor the victory you've achieved so far.

Ideally, you want to finish the section with maybe 2 minutes to spare. That extra 5 minutes could've been used on some questions to check your work or just work more methodically and maybe avoid a few careless mistakes. (We're always going to make some careless mistakes, but it's nice to minimize them as much as we can.)

For RC, what have you been using to prepare so far? Here are some additional ideas to try: https://www.beatthegmat.com/verbal-strategy-t14035.html

For quant, I suggest looking around here (BTG) to see what others recommend for advanced quant study materials. Obviously, I have a conflict of interest when making recommendations of this kind...

I will mention, though, that my company has two workshops for advanced quant concepts (one's actually called Advanced Quant, and the other is Advanced Data Sufficiency). You can look at our web site for more details (look at the One Day Workshops area).

One more thing re: timing. You're always going to see a few questions that are too hard for you to do in the given amount of time - no matter how good you get. Remember that, sometimes, your best response is to say, "Too good. I can't do this in the given time. I'm going to guess and move on before I go over time and end up hurting myself on other questions later in this section."

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by danielchu » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:01 pm

Stacey Koprince wrote: For RC, what have you been using to prepare so far? Here are some additional ideas to try: https://www.beatthegmat.com/verbal-strategy-t14035.html

For quant, I suggest looking around here (BTG) to see what others recommend for advanced quant study materials. Obviously, I have a conflict of interest when making recommendations of this kind... I will mention, though, that my company has two workshops for advanced quant concepts (one's actually called Advanced Quant, and the other is Advanced Data Sufficiency). You can look at our web site for more details (look at the One Day Workshops area).

Hi Stacey,

Thanks for your reply. Well, I have to say that it's all because of MGMT that I have advanced my score this far.

Last month, I basically used 90% of the time to study my MGMT tests and 10% on OG. Most importantly, I had a 2-hour private tutoring session with MGMT. That was fantastic. The tutor was so helpful that I just think I couldn't have done it without MGMT.

However, I haven't had a chance to study RC well during last month. I basically just tried to practice diagramming. And I notice that my timings (using the MGMT OG Tracker) for OG are usually 5 to 7 mins over the recommended time.

For short passages, I took 5 mins in average to read them and for long passages, I took about 5 to 6 mins as well.

From the OG tracker, I notice that I am specifically weak & slow on Inference type question and slow in general on detail type question. I am quite accurate on the general types of questions.

I think I need a proper way to do diagramming (or faster diagramming); i.e., what to write down and what not to.

Please help.

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by Stacey Koprince » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:44 pm

Have you been using our book? Or, if not, what have you been using to learn how to tackle RC?

You definitely need to reduce the time taken on that read-through. Because of the length of time you state, I assume you're trying to understand the whole thing thoroughly. Do NOT do that. On your read-through, your task is to do two things:
(1) understand the MAIN points (overall point of the passage and the one main point for each paragraph)
(2) know the purpose of each paragraph and the kind of stuff it discusses

You should NOT be able to tell me much (if anything) about the detail in each paragraph after your first read-through, beyond where the detail is located (by paragraph). You should be able to tell me, "Oh yeah, paragraph 2 is where they talked about the collapse of black holes." And if I said, "okay, well what did they say about the collapse of black holes?" your response should be, "I have no idea. Give me a minute to read about it."

IF you get a question about the collapse of black holes, you know where to go. And if you DON'T get a question about the collapse of black holes, you won't have wasted your time learning about them.

(Note: about twice as many questions are written for each passage as are given to one person. So there WILL be stuff in the passage about which you are never asked.)

And this "only go for the high-level outline on the first read-through" technique is about more than just saving time. You will understand the main points much better if you don't get sucked into all that ridiculous detail.

(Note #2: this isn't how you should actual try to read and comprehend stuff in the b-school or the rest of the real world. Unless your boss ever tells you that you have 3 minutes to read something and tell her the outline only and then you'll have some detailed questions but you can treat it like an open-book test at that point. Uh... that's not what "reading comprehension" is about in the real world.)

Finally, remember that your diagramming (the notes you take as you read) is NOT about taking notes as you would have during school. You are not going to have a test on this material in 3 weeks. You're taking the test right now. Your notes are just to help you understand the overall outline and know where to go to find any details you may need. That's really it!

If you don't currently have a book or other resource that is teaching you how to tackle RC, you should get something - just ask around here and see what people have found helpful. Beyond the diagramming bit, there's a whole lot more that has to do with the different types of questions, the ways in which they tend to write tempting wrong answers, etc.

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by obama » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:13 am

this advice was useful to me too!

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