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by bblast » Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:17 am
Hi,

I know :
1>comma + fanboys can connect an independant clause.
2>although, despite, because, due to (other subordinators can start a dependant clause)

Query ->

Can with start a dependant clause ?? Are the sentence starting via "with" dependant clauses or do we just call them prepositional phrases?

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As the honeybee's stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing the bee to sustain a fatal injury.
A. As the honeybee's stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing
B. As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes
C. The honeybee's stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes
D. The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing
E. The honeybee's stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes


OA E


Also what is with doing in this sentence ?? same thing ?


Orb weaving spiders such as the argiope build webs that are essentially wheel-like, with an outer rim and a number of spokes emanating from the hub.


Can someone break these up 'technically' for me .
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by aspirant2011 » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:28 am
bblast wrote:Hi,

I know :
1>comma + fanboys can start a dependant clause.

I think I don't agree with you on comma + fanboys because what I have gone through till yet is that comma + fanboy always starts an Independent clause.

2>although, despite (other subordinators can start a dependant clause)

Query ->

Can with start a dependant clause ?? Are the sentence starting via "with" dependant clauses or do we just call them prepositional phrase modifiers ?

From GMAT prep :

As the honeybee's stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing the bee to sustain a fatal injury.
A. As the honeybee's stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing
B. As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes
C. The honeybee's stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes
D. The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing
E. The honeybee's stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes


OA E


Also what is with doing in this sentence ?? same thing ?


Orb weaving spiders such as the argiope build webs that are essentially wheel-like, with an outer rim and a number of spokes emanating from the hub.


Can someone break these up 'technically' for me .
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by mundasingh123 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:50 am
1>comma + fanboys can start a dependant clause.
I thought FANBOYS could only connect independent clauses
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by bblast » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:43 am
mundasingh123 wrote:
1>comma + fanboys can start a dependant clause.
I thought FANBOYS could only connect independent clauses
yup, that was a typo, corrected it,
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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:58 am
bblast wrote:
As the honeybee's stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing the bee to sustain a fatal injury.
A. As the honeybee's stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing
B. As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes
C. The honeybee's stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes
D. The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing
E. The honeybee's stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes

OA E

Also what is with doing in this sentence ?? same thing ?
In A, this lacks a clear antecedent. Eliminate A.

In B, as..the stinger stays and with the result that...injury are adverbial modifiers. The sentence lacks a subject; the result is a sentence fragment. Eliminate B.

C and D state that the stinger...results. A STINGER cannot result in something; only an ACTION can result in something. Eliminate C and D.

The correct answer is E.

In E, with the result that the act of stinging causes fatal injury is an adverb modifying the previous clause: the stinger stays...with the result that the act of stinging causes fatal injury.

Same for the following:
Orb weaving spiders such as the argiope build webs that are essentially wheel-like, with an outer rim and a number of spokes emanating from the hub.
In the sentence above, with an outer rim and a number of spokes emanating from the hub functions as an adverb, explaining in what way the webs are wheel-like.
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by mundasingh123 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:56 am
The honeybee's stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes

Hi GmatGuruNY
Do you think the sentence should be able to stand on its own if we remove the modifier "heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted"
Could we use this as a general rule .
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by bblast » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:43 am
Hi all,

I digged deep into usage of 'with' modifier.

"With" forms a prepositional phrase.

This phrase can act as a adverb or an adjective modifier. The rules governing the usage of with phrases are similar to rules governing the participial phrases (verb-ing modifiers).

As Mitch pointed in the above sentence, with acts as an adverbial modifier.
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by czarczar » Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:48 am
bblast wrote:Hi all,

I digged deep into usage of 'with' modifier.

"With" forms a prepositional phrase.

This phrase can act as a adverb or an adjective modifier. The rules governing the usage of with phrases are similar to rules governing the participial phrases (verb-ing modifiers).

As Mitch pointed in the above sentence, with acts as an adverbial modifier.

Thanks bblast and Mitch.
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by tanviet » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:44 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote:
bblast wrote:
As the honeybee's stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing the bee to sustain a fatal injury.
A. As the honeybee's stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing
B. As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes
C. The honeybee's stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes
D. The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing
E. The honeybee's stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes

OA E

Also what is with doing in this sentence ?? same thing ?
In A, this lacks a clear antecedent. Eliminate A.

In B, as..the stinger stays and with the result that...injury are adverbial modifiers. The sentence lacks a subject; the result is a sentence fragment. Eliminate B.

C and D state that the stinger...results. A STINGER cannot result in something; only an ACTION can result in something. Eliminate C and D.

The correct answer is E.

In E, with the result that the act of stinging causes fatal injury is an adverb modifying the previous clause: the stinger stays...with the result that the act of stinging causes fatal injury.

Same for the following:
Orb weaving spiders such as the argiope build webs that are essentially wheel-like, with an outer rim and a number of spokes emanating from the hub.
In the sentence above, with an outer rim and a number of spokes emanating from the hub functions as an adverb, explaining in what way the webs are wheel-like.
I agree that the first "with.." modify previous clause. But the second "with..." modify the noun "web" which is far from "with..." phrase.

I wish to discuss of COMMA WITH...

COMMA WITH... can modify previous clause or modify a noun which is far from COMMA WITH...

for example: I like to learn MBA, with the experience in business.
Of course, the phrase "with..." should be placed at the beginning of the sentence but it is still correct as I write.

Am I correct?
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by mankey » Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:26 am
for example: I like to learn MBA, with the experience in business.
Of course, the phrase "with..." should be placed at the beginning of the sentence but it is still correct as I write.

Am I correct?
Can some expert please respond to this doubt of one of the users of the forum? I too had a doubt on the same issue.

Thanks.
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