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Tough algebra Equation

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by iikarthik » Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:59 am
Q17:
If x, y, and k are positive numbers such that ((x)/(x+y))(10) + ((y)/(x+y))(20) = k and if x < y, which of the following could be the value of k?
A. 10
B. 12
C. 15
D. 18
E. 30
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by onesome » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:34 am
If x = 1 and y = 4 , 18 becomes a possible value.
because x < y we cannot have x=4 and y=1
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Re: Tough algebra Equation

by Ian Stewart » Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:48 pm
iikarthik wrote:Q17:
If x, y, and k are positive numbers such that ((x)/(x+y))(10) + ((y)/(x+y))(20) = k and if x < y, which of the following could be the value of k?
A. 10
B. 12
C. 15
D. 18
E. 30
The trick is to recognize that the equation just gives a weighted average of x and y. The equation above is the same as you'd use if you were asked "If x pounds of peanuts and y pounds of cashews are mixed together, and peanuts cost $10/pound and cashews cost $20/pound, what is the price per pound of the resulting mixture?" The answer must be between 10 and 20, and if y > x, the answer must be closer to 20 than to 10. So 18 is the only possible answer.
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by navdeepbajwa » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:59 pm
Brilliant
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by rahul.s » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:21 am
Ian Stewart wrote:
iikarthik wrote:Q17:
If x, y, and k are positive numbers such that ((x)/(x+y))(10) + ((y)/(x+y))(20) = k and if x < y, which of the following could be the value of k?
A. 10
B. 12
C. 15
D. 18
E. 30
The trick is to recognize that the equation just gives a weighted average of x and y. The equation above is the same as you'd use if you were asked "If x pounds of peanuts and y pounds of cashews are mixed together, and peanuts cost $10/pound and cashews cost $20/pound, what is the price per pound of the resulting mixture?" The answer must be between 10 and 20, and if y > x, the answer must be closer to 20 than to 10. So 18 is the only possible answer.
Ian,

In such a problem, where we need to experiment with numbers, how would we know which are the right numbers to choose?
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by Ian Stewart » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:23 pm
rahul.s wrote: Ian,

In such a problem, where we need to experiment with numbers, how would we know which are the right numbers to choose?
Well, you don't need to experiment with numbers in the question above; I didn't in my post above. That said, if you don't see a conceptual or algebraic solution fairly quickly, plugging in numbers is a good fallback option. It would be a bit lucky to find numbers that give the exact answer to this question, but if you plug in a few very simple sets of numbers (you don't want to waste any time on complicated numbers), making sure that x is less than y, you'll always find that k is between 15 and 20, which may lead you to the correct answer here.

There are also algebraic solutions to the question:

(10x + 20y)/(x+y) = k

10x + 20y = kx + ky

20y - ky = kx - 10x

y(20 - k) = x(k - 10)

(20 - k)/(k - 10) = x/y

and since 0 < x < y, then 0 < x/y < 1, and it must be that 0 < (20 - k) / (k - 10) < 1. From the answer choices we can be sure k - 10 isn't negative, so we can multiply through this inequality by k-10 to find that 0 < 20 - k < k - 10, or that 15 < k < 20.
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by rahul.s » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:51 pm
aah, now i see. thanks for the expert opinion. that really helped :)
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by missrochelle » Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:00 pm
Ian Stewart wrote:
iikarthik wrote:Q17:
If x, y, and k are positive numbers such that ((x)/(x+y))(10) + ((y)/(x+y))(20) = k and if x < y, which of the following could be the value of k?
A. 10
B. 12
C. 15
D. 18
E. 30
The trick is to recognize that the equation just gives a weighted average of x and y. The equation above is the same as you'd use if you were asked "If x pounds of peanuts and y pounds of cashews are mixed together, and peanuts cost $10/pound and cashews cost $20/pound, what is the price per pound of the resulting mixture?" The answer must be between 10 and 20, and if y > x, the answer must be closer to 20 than to 10. So 18 is the only possible answer.
I think that knowing the quick weighted average formula using a number line is one of the fastest, nearly foolproof ways to get a seemingly difficult question right. AFter reading this, I'm inclined to ask you, Ian, are there any other "disguised" weighted average problems you've noted?
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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:03 pm
iikarthik wrote:Q17:
If x, y, and k are positive numbers such that ((x)/(x+y))(10) + ((y)/(x+y))(20) = k and if x < y, which of the following could be the value of k?
A. 10
B. 12
C. 15
D. 18
E. 30
For those who worry that they wouldn't be able to recognize that this is a weighted average problem, an easy and efficient approach is to plug in the answer choices, which represent the value of k:

Answer choice C: k=15
(10x + 20y)/(x+y) = 15
10x + 20y = 15x + 15y
5y = 5x
y = x
Doesn't work because the problem states that x<y.
Eliminate C.
The value of y needs to be larger.

Answer choice D: k=18
10x + 20y = 18x + 18y
2y = 8x
y/x = 8/2
Success! x<y.

The correct answer is D.

The process is very quick if you recognize right away that since k = one of the answer choices, you can simply plug them in for k.
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by billnepill » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:48 am
thanks for the explanations

Really helped!!

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by hussi9 » Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:11 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote:
iikarthik wrote:Q17:
If x, y, and k are positive numbers such that ((x)/(x+y))(10) + ((y)/(x+y))(20) = k and if x < y, which of the following could be the value of k?
A. 10
B. 12
C. 15
D. 18
E. 30
For those who worry that they wouldn't be able to recognize that this is a weighted average problem, an easy and efficient approach would be to plug in the answer choices, which represent the value of k:

Answer choice C:
(10x + 20y)/(x+y) = 15
10x + 20y = 15x + 15y
5y = 5x
y = x
Doesn't work because the problem states that x<y.

We need y to be larger, so let's try 18:
10x + 20y = 18x + 18y
2y = 8x
y/x = 8/2
Success! x<y.

The correct answer is D.

The process would be very quick if you recognized right away that since k = one of the answer choices, you could simply plug them in for k.
I think this will be a long method.. since you still need to check with option E. That makes it solving equation 3 times.
I prefer simply put smallest value that satisfy the given condition of x and y. Preferably 1 and 2.
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by winniethepooh » Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:11 pm
Hussi, no real need to do that , as only 1 condition will be an answer for the question!
As for K=30, gives you y = -2x, which indeed is not the solution!
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by wieke13 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:30 am
Ian Stewart wrote:
rahul.s wrote: Ian,

In such a problem, where we need to experiment with numbers, how would we know which are the right numbers to choose?
Well, you don't need to experiment with numbers in the question above; I didn't in my post above. That said, if you don't see a conceptual or algebraic solution fairly quickly, plugging in numbers is a good fallback option. It would be a bit lucky to find numbers that give the exact answer to this question, but if you plug in a few very simple sets of numbers (you don't want to waste any time on complicated numbers), making sure that x is less than y, you'll always find that k is between 15 and 20, which may lead you to the correct answer here.

There are also algebraic solutions to the question:

(10x + 20y)/(x+y) = k

10x + 20y = kx + ky

20y - ky = kx - 10x

y(20 - k) = x(k - 10)

(20 - k)/(k - 10) = x/y

and since 0 < x < y, then 0 < x/y < 1, and it must be that 0 < (20 - k) / (k - 10) < 1. From the answer choices we can be sure k - 10 isn't negative, so we can multiply through this inequality by k-10 to find that 0 < 20 - k < k - 10, or that 15 < k < 20.
Ian,
Can I ask you, how do I get from 0 < 20 - k < k - 10 to 15 < k < 20?
Sorry, I don't get it..

Thanks!
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by Ian Stewart » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:06 am
wieke13 wrote:[
Ian,
Can I ask you, how do I get from 0 < 20 - k < k - 10 to 15 < k < 20?
Sorry, I don't get it..
You can see this by separating the three-part inequality 0 < 20 - k < k - 10 into two inequalities:

0 < 20 - k, and adding k to both sides, k < 20

20 - k < k - 10, and adding k and 10 to both sides, we find that 30 < 2k, or 15 < k

Putting those two inequalities together we have 15 < k < 20.

As a side note, looking back over that algebraic solution, it does seem a bit awkward. I certainly prefer the weighted average approach, but if you don't notice that here, an approach like backsolving might be more practical for many test takers than direct algebra.
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by wieke13 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:35 am
Thanks so much!
I have to admit that the explanation in OG is even more weird...

Regards
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