I just went through the entire thread. It is amazing. I really appreciate the way you are sharing your experience and extending support to the community. Keep writing. We are not only reading it but also following it Smile ..Great job!!!!osirus0830 wrote:I will continue posting on modifiers and pronouns. The Veritas class was amazing. I am a officially a convert. Manhattan has nothing on Veritas. There verbal is the best in the industry, and its really not even close. If you guys can find someone to sell you the guides, you will be better off for having them.
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Osirus's Grammar Lesson for the day: Relative Modifiers
The relative modifiers are: which, that, who, whom, whose, when, where.
which can only modify things and is a non-essential modifier
that can only modify things and is an essential modifier
who can only modify people and is a pronoun in the nominative (subjective) case
whom can only modify people and is a pronoun in the objective case
whose can modify people or things.
When can only refer to a specific time period or a specific instance when something occurs
Where can only refer to a physical location only. If you see where and its not referring to a specific place, you should probably use "in which" instead.
The relative modifiers are: which, that, who, whom, whose, when, where.
which can only modify things and is a non-essential modifier
that can only modify things and is an essential modifier
who can only modify people and is a pronoun in the nominative (subjective) case
whom can only modify people and is a pronoun in the objective case
whose can modify people or things.
When can only refer to a specific time period or a specific instance when something occurs
Where can only refer to a physical location only. If you see where and its not referring to a specific place, you should probably use "in which" instead.
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When you are taking your practice tests, take the time to develop a template for your essays. For example, each essay should consist of at least 5 paragraphs (anything less and the computer will penalize you). Additionally, get comfortable using the transition words that you plan to use on the essay. A sample template for the 5 paragraphs looks like this:
Paragraph 1: Intro
Paragraph 2: Unsupported assumption that the author makes 1
Paragraph 3: Unsupported assumption that the author makes 2
Paragraph 4: Anticipate the refutes that critics of your essay would possibly bring up
Paragraph 5: Conclusion
Just like that you will have a 4-6 essay.
When you are taking your practice tests, take the time to develop a template for your essays. For example, each essay should consist of at least 5 paragraphs (anything less and the computer will penalize you). Additionally, get comfortable using the transition words that you plan to use on the essay. A sample template for the 5 paragraphs looks like this:
Paragraph 1: Intro
Paragraph 2: Unsupported assumption that the author makes 1
Paragraph 3: Unsupported assumption that the author makes 2
Paragraph 4: Anticipate the refutes that critics of your essay would possibly bring up
Paragraph 5: Conclusion
Just like that you will have a 4-6 essay.
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Thanks osirus0830. I have been a die hard Manhattan fan as their tips and tricks worked well for the mock tests. But in the actual GMAT (taken last weekend) i realized Manhattan Verbal is not as good as it's Quant . I scored a 51 in Quants, but messed up badly in Verbal. I will definitely try to get my hands on Veritas this time (for Verbal) .
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Similarly, use "When" if you want to refer to a specific age; Use "in which" if you want to refer to a specific period of time.osirus0830 wrote:Osirus's Grammar Lesson for the day: Relative Modifiers
When can only refer to a specific time period or a specific instance when something occurs
Where can only refer to a physical location only. If you see where and its not referring to a specific place, you should probably use "in which" instead.
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LMAO get him Ajith! Don't get lazy on us now OSIRUS!
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osirus,osirus0830 wrote:Osirus's Grammar Lesson for the day: Relative Modifiers
The relative modifiers are: which, that, who, whom, whose, when, where.
which can only modify things and is a non-essential modifier
that can only modify things and is an essential modifier
who can only modify people and is a pronoun in the nominative (subjective) case
whom can only modify people and is a pronoun in the objective case
whose can modify people or things.
When can only refer to a specific time period or a specific instance when something occurs
Where can only refer to a physical location only. If you see where and its not referring to a specific place, you should probably use "in which" instead.
could you cite some examples of the usage of "whom"?
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yea and also more examples to easily differentiate b/w who and whom
rahul.s wrote:osirus,osirus0830 wrote:Osirus's Grammar Lesson for the day: Relative Modifiers
The relative modifiers are: which, that, who, whom, whose, when, where.
which can only modify things and is a non-essential modifier
that can only modify things and is an essential modifier
who can only modify people and is a pronoun in the nominative (subjective) case
whom can only modify people and is a pronoun in the objective case
whose can modify people or things.
When can only refer to a specific time period or a specific instance when something occurs
Where can only refer to a physical location only. If you see where and its not referring to a specific place, you should probably use "in which" instead.
could you cite some examples of the usage of "whom"?
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you know what helped me the most in learning when to use who vs. whom. I've always know about switching the sentence around and answering the question, substituting He or Him.. but it wasn't until my GMAT instructor said it out loud to the class that it really sank in. Now I haven't gotten any who/whom questions wrong.
determining the object of the sentence is key, but having someone verbally explain this to you, so that you can think about the usage is even key(er)
determining the object of the sentence is key, but having someone verbally explain this to you, so that you can think about the usage is even key(er)
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money,
even i am facing a similar problem mentioned by rahul
Could u help us out ?
How to distinguish b/w who and whom ?
Thanks
even i am facing a similar problem mentioned by rahul
Could u help us out ?
How to distinguish b/w who and whom ?
Thanks
money9111 wrote:you know what helped me the most in learning when to use who vs. whom. I've always know about switching the sentence around and answering the question, substituting He or Him.. but it wasn't until my GMAT instructor said it out loud to the class that it really sank in. Now I haven't gotten any who/whom questions wrong.
determining the object of the sentence is key, but having someone verbally explain this to you, so that you can think about the usage is even key(er)
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Who and whoever are for subjects.bhumika.k.shah wrote:money,
even i am facing a similar problem mentioned by rahul
Could u help us out ?
How to distinguish b/w who and whom ?
Thanks
Who and whoever also follow and complete the meaning of linking verbs. In grammarspeak, who and whoever serve as linking verb complements.
Whom and whomever are for objects - all kinds of objects (direct, indirect, of prepositions, of infinitives, and so on).
check out these sample sentences to understand..
Whoever needs help from Lochness is going to wait a long time. (Whoever is the subject of the verb needs.)
Who is calling Lulu at this time of night? (Who is the subject of the verb is calling.)
"I don't care whom you ask to the prom," exclaimed Legghorn unconvincingly. (Whom is the direct object of the verb ask.)
The mustard-yellow belt is for whomever she designates as the hot dog eating champion. (Whomever is the direct object of the verb designates.)
For whom are you bellowing? (Whom is the object of the preposition for.)
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Mainly I note that people are confused about the usage of whom.bhumika.k.shah wrote:money,
even i am facing a similar problem mentioned by rahul
Could u help us out ?
How to distinguish b/w who and whom ?
Thanks
money9111 wrote:you know what helped me the most in learning when to use who vs. whom. I've always know about switching the sentence around and answering the question, substituting He or Him.. but it wasn't until my GMAT instructor said it out loud to the class that it really sank in. Now I haven't gotten any who/whom questions wrong.
determining the object of the sentence is key, but having someone verbally explain this to you, so that you can think about the usage is even key(er)
Ex:-"Whom were you talking to?" just sounds a little uptight, doesn't it?
Now,I will give an example when who and whom are used in the similar context :-
Who is at the door?
Whom did you see at the door?
Now,the reason why both the usages are correct is beacause:- who is always used as the subject of a sentence or clause, and whom is always used as an object.
In the first sentence of the set above, who is the subject. In the second sentence, you is the subject and whom is the direct object.
Whom did you recommend for the job?
Are there any people whom you would recommend?
Notice, in both sentences, you is the subject. Whom is the object of the verb recommend.
For details you can also refer to the following links:-
https://as.dummies.com/how-to/content/ch ... -whom.html
https://www.englishpage.com/minitutorials/who_whom.html - [Only for basic concepts]
If you are confident about the usage,just give it a go at the following test:-
https://abowman.wikispaces.com/file/view/who+vs+whom.doc
Then you can analyse your result.
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