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by shoot4greatness » Mon May 23, 2011 10:41 pm
The Achaemenid empire of Persia reached the Indus valley in the fifth century B.C, bringing the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and southern Indian alphabets.

A) same as above

B) the Aramaic script with it, and from which deriving both the northern and the

C) with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the

D) with it the Aramaic script, from which derives both northern and

E) with it the Aramaic script, and deriving from it both the northern and the

Hi ya'll. I still don't understand why the OA is C, not D. The script was derived from the northern and southern Indian alphabets. I can't see the grammatical logic behind this answer. Although the verb "derive" is in the sub modifier, definition wise, derive means caused BY something, not causing something. Help please!!!
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by Frankenstein » Mon May 23, 2011 11:21 pm
Hi,
'Both northern and southern alphabets' is a plural subject . Hence, plural verb(derive).

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by sameerballani » Tue May 24, 2011 4:21 am
shoot4greatness wrote:The Achaemenid empire of Persia reached the Indus valley in the fifth century B.C, bringing the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and southern Indian alphabets.

A) same as above

B) the Aramaic script with it, and from which deriving both the northern and the

C) with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the

D) with it the Aramaic script, from which derives both northern and

E) with it the Aramaic script, and deriving from it both the northern and the

Hi ya'll. I still don't understand why the OA is C, not D. The script was derived from the northern and southern Indian alphabets. I can't see the grammatical logic behind this answer. Although the verb "derive" is in the sub modifier, definition wise, derive means caused BY something, not causing something. Help please!!!
its deriving two things, hence plural, hence we need to go with derive
Structure: It is X from which we DERIVE Both A and B.
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by aspirant2011 » Tue May 24, 2011 4:37 am
can anyone please explain that Option A is wrong because of the placement of "it" in " bringing the Aramaic script with it"
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by Cheers123 » Tue May 24, 2011 5:15 am
@sameerballani

Your Inference: "The script was derived from the northern and southern Indian alphabets."

Read the statement again:
"...bringing the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and southern Indian alphabets"
The statement tries to say that the Indian alphabets were derived from the Aramaic script and not the reverse. Hence, the plural form. Hope this helps.

@aspirant2011
First option is incorrect because of the usage of 'was' instead of 'were'.
Placement of 'it' is also confusing. 'the Aramaic script' should be placed closer to 'from which were derived...'
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by polter » Tue May 24, 2011 5:44 am
I have a confusion between C & E. Can't decide between them.

C: "from which" is close to script, which is modified but not parallel to bringing
E: "deriving" is parallel to bringing but it is far from script

Can someone please clarify how do I choose between these 2 options?
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by Frankenstein » Tue May 24, 2011 6:21 am
polter wrote:I have a confusion between C & E. Can't decide between them.

C: "from which" is close to script, which is modified but not parallel to bringing
E: "deriving" is parallel to bringing but it is far from script

Can someone please clarify how do I choose between these 2 options?
Hi,
The issue here is the meaning.
The meaning of E is: 1.)The Achaemenid empire of Persia brought the Aramaic script.
2.)The Achaemenid empire of Persia derived from it the alphabets.
But the actual meaning in C is that these alphabets derive from Aramaic script.

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by sameerballani » Tue May 24, 2011 6:37 am
sameerballani wrote:
shoot4greatness wrote:The Achaemenid empire of Persia reached the Indus valley in the fifth century B.C, bringing the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and southern Indian alphabets.

C) with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the
Its deriving two things, hence plural, hence we need to go with derive
Structure: It is X from which we DERIVE Both A and B.
Cheers123 wrote:@sameerballani

Your Inference: "The script was derived from the northern and southern Indian alphabets."

Read the statement again:
"...bringing the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and southern Indian alphabets"
The statement tries to say that the Indian alphabets were derived from the Aramaic script and not the reverse. Hence, the plural form. Hope this helps.
It is X from which we DERIVE Both A and B

I don't think i mean that the script was derived from the northern and southern Indian alphabets.
Rather, I feel the above statement clearly states that we derive two things and they are
1)the northern Indian alphabets 2)the southern Indian alphabets
This is also complemented with the use of word BOTH(which i feel add more clarity) just before.
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by Cheers123 » Tue May 24, 2011 8:15 am
Oops...my bad! I was replying to shoot4greatness and not to you Sameer.
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by shoot4greatness » Tue May 24, 2011 8:23 am
oops thanks cheers. I got it. I wasn't paying attention to the context of the sentence. I was looking for grammatical mistakes only. Now it makes sense.
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by sameerballani » Tue May 24, 2011 8:52 am
shoot4greatness wrote:oops thanks cheers. I got it. I wasn't paying attention to the context of the sentence. I was looking for grammatical mistakes only. Now it makes sense.
Refer: https://www.beatthegmat.com/companies-in ... 83141.html

In this post, Ron emphasises on the importance of Meaning esp when compared to Grammatical rules.
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