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GMATPrep 620 : Aiming 720+ verbally challenged ?

by GMATMadeEasy » Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:47 am
Hello Stacey,

I PMed you a few months ago after my OG diagnostic test sometime in January (where my timing per questions was 3 minutes and accuracy was avergae). I took my GMAT in mid Feb and scored bad 550 (Quant 45 and verbal 21 ) . partly, Verbal score went down as I could not finished after Q27 in quant and thought that i have screwed everything and was not that much motivated in verbal part.

After more than a month break, I re-started studying , going through all material overall again employing MGMAT strategy for SC etc. I took GMATPrpe1 again and scored pathetic 620 (Q 47 and V 29) but I felt all questions were new and I didnt remember anything either done earlier . In quant, I did too many STUPID mistakes (11 DS wrong for my srtength type questions (inequality and number properties)) which I plan to improve as I have learnt very well number properties etc using MGMAT guide.

However, in verbal I tend to perform pathetic. My major problem is speed . In verbal, I could not reache after 32 questions and for the next 5, i did choose randomly the answers and rest 4 I missed even.

To break verbal analysis further, for first 32 questions I had 4 SC questions wrong ,2 CR questions wrong and 2 RC questions wrong. The incorrect SC questions were a little tricky , i am stil trying to put analysis why they were wrong.
In CR out of two incorrect questions, one question was hard in language to understand and here, I spent a bit too much time (I should employ strategy of not spending more than two mionutes strictly) and I am sure I do this mistake often that is to spend too much on a question . The incorrect RC questions were a bit tricky/hard for sure and in one RC I might have spent little longer again.

What do you suggest to conquer verbal finally as it is bothering me for long and I really feel frustrated with the progress I have made. I have my exam in three weeks.

I thank you very much for all your help.
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by GMATMadeEasy » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:03 am
Additional Information about my post :

1. I didn't take Essay in the beginning .
2. Quant did run smoothly in fact.
3. As I go through the post about strategy provided by Stacey , one major point I figured out is that a few questions that are always incorrect take very long time (may be difficulty level very high) . This is based on all CATs I take.
4. Some of the social science passages take longer than expected to retain or organise the information better in brain.
5. Some SCs also false in same category as in bullet 4.
6. With Manhattan CAT, I am able to reach until 38 or 39 for a few reasons ;
a> Manhattan SCs I can do quickly because I have main issues with SC when it plays with meaning
b> Manhattan RCs in language are easy but questions of high difficulty level are really hard and almost always are incorrect.

Also, do really verbal and quant have same weightage in final score ?

thanks in advance for help. My exam is two weeks away now.
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by GMATMadeEasy » Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:51 am
Could someone advice where the focus should be for last two weeks before the exam more on practising verbal sets which we talk about on the fourm or LSAT sets ?

LSAT RCs look a bit different from GMAT in terms of content structure . GMAT RCs are more of scholar papers/academic ones whereas LSAT ones in terms of language are easier to follow. Also, i do not have issues with vocabulary , hardly i will not know the word . But may be the way I read takes longer .
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by Stacey Koprince » Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:34 am
Received a PM askingme to respond.

So, let's see:
mid-Feb Q45, V21, 550; timing problems
break for more than a month
GPrep: Q47, V29, 620 ((1) when was this test taken? (2) was this test taken under official testing conditions, including essays?)
Goal: 720
Test: 3 weeks

First, it would be very unusual for someone to go from a 620 to a 720 in three weeks. Someone has probably accomplished that somewhere, but this would be a pretty rare occurrence. The first thing you need to think about is whether you would rather postpone your test in order to have a better chance of reaching 720 or whether you would rather take your test in 3 weeks but lower your goal score. (You could, of course, decide to keep the same goal score and take the test in 3 weeks... but that would basically be equivalent to playing the lottery. You might get very lucky... but you probably won't.)
My major problem is speed . In verbal, I could not reache after 32 questions and for the next 5, i did choose randomly the answers and rest 4 I missed even.
That would have seriously damaged your score. By "rest 4 I missed even," I assume you mean you did not even get a chance to guess randomly on those 4 questions? That right there would have dropped your score by about 12 percentile points. If we assume that you also missed the 5 on which you had to guess randomly, then your total penalty would have been something like 20 to 25 percentile points. That would have made your raw score somewhere around 35 or 36, instead of 29.

Of course, we can't just simply add up the penalty, because if you had saved time earlier in the section by letting go of some problems, that might have changed things then. So let's be conservative and say you would have gained half of the points, not all of them. That would put your raw score around 32 or 33.

So the timing problem alone is causing a serious drop in your score. This absolutely has to be fixed or it will be next to impossible for you to achieve a 720+ score. The good news is that your actual ability level is higher than your current score, but your timing problems are preventing you from achieving that level.

It typically takes 6 to 8 weeks for people to fix timing problems - FYI.

Next:
1. I didn't take Essay in the beginning .
Hmm. That isn't good news. That means there's a decent chance that your verbal scores were inflated (because you started the verbal section 1.25 hours into the practice tests instead of 2.5 hours in, as it is on the real test). From now on, you MUST take practice tests under official testing conditions - 100%.
one major point I figured out is that a few questions that are always incorrect take very long time
This is why you're running out of time at the end. Your task is to recognize when you've been given a problem that's too hard for the expected timeframe, and then your task is to answer that question BEFORE you lose time on it, even if you have to make a random guess. You will NEVER be able to take your time to answer every question they give you; you will ALWAYS have to make guesses. If you don't know what to do during the first minute, it is very unlikely that you're going to figure it all out in the 2nd minute or the 3rd minute or...

Put it this way: you are going to have to guess on 5 to 7 questions in each section. Your only choice is WHEN to guess. Your best choice is to guess on the hardest questions as you see them throughout the section - to make an active choice. When you don't make an active choice, then you're forced to guess on a bunch of questions in a row at the end, some of which you could have answered correctly!

To answer your question about weighting: verbal is weighed slightly more than quant in the overall score.

So, to start: think about whether you want to postpone your test or lower your goal score. Let us know what you decide.

Then, use this article to analyze your tests (I think you've already done this, but I'm going to put it here just in case):
https://www.beatthegmat.com/a/2009/09/23 ... tice-tests

Then you need to start from the basics on verbal to see what you do and don't know in terms of process (even before we get to content). Start with these three articles:

https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2010/04/ ... mp-passage
https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2010/06/ ... on-problem
https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2010/05/ ... -reasoning

Also read these two about how to study:
https://www.beatthegmat.com/a/2009/10/09 ... ce-problem
https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2010/04/ ... our-errors

The rest will depend upon whether you decide to keep your test date but lower your goal score, or keep your goal score and push back your test date. Let us know and we'll go from there.
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by GMATMadeEasy » Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:05 am
Thanks Stacey for detailed post and diagnostic advice. Some input from my side .

1. You are right in your assumptions that I did leave four questions unattempted in verbal.
2. Except essays , I did my GMAT Prep test in proper exam conditions .

Current status : I have finished OG 12 verbal part completely and OG quant, last 25 to 30 questions left in both the sections (PS and DS) .

I am a regular reader of your posts , though I did re-read all the links. In particular, RC link has been quite an eye opener and I feel two issues after a careful read of the RC link .

1. OG provides 6 to 7 questions for each RC and hence, you compensate for the time lost after 4 questions as your understanding of the passage evolves. Following this, I did three last RCs this morning that I didn't finish in OG12 and time taken exceeded for all three RCs. In first RC, for solving first four questions and reading RC took 11 minutes in total where as for other twp RCs , it was roughly 10 minutes .In first RC out of four, two questions were wrong , in second one one question wrong and in the last one no question wrong.

2. Some of the RCs are tougher than others such as more from social science using abstract terms for example social constructivism or technical determinism. These kinds of abstract terms always slower my thought process .

Some of the key take aways following your analysis and counsel:

1.I should plan to make (of course if I really need it) 4 to 5 educated guesses to the questions I find that I am not sure even after spending time I can answer them correctly

2.Improve on feelling of time spent at each question and "get out of illusion that I can hurry up later"" which I am capable of doing partially in quant to really really sped up .

3. From general reading at forum and from your part of your post (where you mention that it takes 6 to 8 weeks to fix the problem of speed), I have observed a pattern that people whi make significant improvement in verbal is after tons of practises of material. The material includes mostly Manhattan SC guide for SC concepts and OG 12 and OG 10 or 11 along with complementary verbal guide as well LSAT sets from 10 to 40 in numbers.

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I have 10 days in total left out of which 5 days can be considered full working days for GMAT and rest five days, only evenings when I can spend roughly two to three hours at most after my work. My question is more on where to channalise my efforts to make most out of it and what material to use at this point .

My plan as of now :

1. To finish Quant from OG12 and review in detail DS errors I make in strength areas such as number properties
2. TO reiew the errors of all OG questions
3. Start with Verbal complementary guide (Do focus on last 50 questions in each section of verbal and some questions in quant as well)

COuld you please suggest the strategy and material for last ten days to follow to get most out of it now . I can not extend the exam date anymore as some of the schools I am targeting are having their deadlines after six weeks itself . A score of 670 to 690 can place me in a decent position because I have roughly six years of experience. Though it will be a pleasure to beat the verbal challenge :) .

Thank you !
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by GMATMadeEasy » Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:12 am
Another update : I started with verbal edition 2 of official guide and am about to finish it tonight. Once this is done, I start to re-do all questions of OG12 that I answered incorrectly and finish quant questions as well. I plan to achieve so by tomorrow .

I am trying to employ educated guess and especially leave the question if I feel it is taking too long. What other material I could use for last five to six days to continue to improve speed ? help please !!!
Should I start practising with OG10 or OG 11 verbal last 50 questions in each part of verbal section for last few days?
I still have two Manhattan GMAT CAT unfinished and one GMATPrep so Should I take these two CATs and GMATPrep multuiple times , advise please.
I somehow tend to agree with what someone said: Practise makes perfect.
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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:04 am
Not taking the essays on your GMATPrep test means that your practice test score *might* be inflated a bit. It's impossible to tell without taking a test under full official conditions. For any practice tests you take from now on, take the tests EXACTLY like the real thing.

In particular, for people who do experience a score inflation due to skipping the essays, most of the time, the inflated part of the score is on the verbal.

I know you've got deadlines and can't postpone your test, so you're just going to do everything you can in the timeframe you have to try to hit a score in the high 600s. It's going to be a challenge; you really don't have much time.

It sounds like you're right in terms of your RC take-aways. When you do see a term you don't know (such as "social constructivism" - I don't even know what that is!), don't get hung up on it. I like to give the term an abbreviation and I just start calling it by that abbreviation. I don't worry about exactly what the words mean; I just see what I can figure out from all of the other, surrounding words that I do know. It's okay not to know the definition of weird terms that they introduce - you can still figure out a lot, and they won't ever ask you to define the term or something like that.

People do improve via practice, yes, but (in my experience) the timing issue isn't one simply of tons and tons of practice. It's not usually something that can be accelerated simply by doing tons of practice in one day or over the course of a week. I know that's probably not good news for you, but I do want to be realistic about this.

That said, though, yes, you need to do lots of practice with this! So, what to do:

1) You need to know on which types of problems you tend to go over, so that you can be "on guard" from the first moment that kind of problem pops up. If you don't already know this, then go look through your last couple of practice tests and put together a list of "warning problems" for yourself.

2) Next, you need to have a better sense of the time you're spending and when you should cut yourself off. There's an exercise you can use (though, again, this is something that typically takes weeks to master): learning about how long one minute is without looking at a watch or stopwatch. If you don't have one already, buy yourself a stopwatch with lap timing capability. When you go to do a set of problems, start the stopwatch but turn it over so you can't see the time. Every time you think one minute has gone by, push the lap button. When you're done, see how good you were - and whether you tend to over or underestimate. Get yourself to the point where you're within 15 seconds either way on a regular basis (that is, you can generally predict between 45 sec and 1min 15 sec). Note: at the same time that you are using the stopwatch to time this "1-minute" thing, also use the MGMAT OG Stopwatch (in your student center) or some other stopwatch to track the total time spent on each question.

Now, how do you use that when doing problems? If you're not on track by one minute*, make an educated guess and move on. (The general idea is that if you're not on track by the halfway mark, you're unlikely to figure out what's holding you back AND have time to do the whole problem in the 1 min you have left.)

* For SC, 1min is well beyond the half-way mark (we're supposed to average about 1m15s here), but you can almost always eliminate at least some choices on SC in that timeframe. Once you've got that "I'm around the 1min mark and I'm struggling" feeling, go through any remaining choices ONCE more. Pick one. Move on.

3) You need to know what to do in order to make an edcuated guess, and that actually requires studying how to make educated guesses on different types of questions, in particular on those types of problems for which you tend to get sucked in. Again, this is a task that often takes longer to master than a week to 10 days.

4) You need to track your timing relative to your benchmarks. Here's the basic rule: as soon as I discover that I'm more than 2m behind (or ahead), I do something about it immediately. (Less than 2m ahead or behind isn't a huge problem.) If I'm behind, the next time I see a question that seems extra hard within the first 15-20 seconds, I pick a random answer immediately and move on. If I'm still behind, I do that again the next time I see something extra hard (even if it's the very next one).

You can do the above exercises with any problems you want (though I would recommend mostly using official problems). When you do a set of questions, don't pick only the hardest ones or only the ones you got wrong last time. Just pick a random set of mixed questions.


Finally, I do NOT agree that it's a good use of anyone's time to take many practice tests or to take them multiple times. I will repeat something I've said many times: CAT exams are really good for (a) figuring out where you're scoring right now, (b) practicing stamina, and (c) analyzing your strengths and weaknesses. The actual act of just taking the exam is NOT so useful for improving. It's what you do with the test results / between tests that helps you to improve.
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by GMATMadeEasy » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:10 am
Stacey , Thank you , thank you so much for excellent counsel again and again. Following your post and some more preparation my take :

What is done since last time :

OG Verbal review second edition completely done (I didn't do first 30 CR and first few RCs)
Additional RCs from OG 10 (Roughly 16 RCs of all category)

How I did RCs : I did them in group of 4 RCs each and only four questions in each RC in timed conditions . I allowed 8 minutes per RC .Mix of RCs was generally containing one small and one long RC for sure.
CRs : I did CRs in group of 15 questions each
SCs : Same in group of 15 questions each

Results (Facts) :
a > Timing : SOmetimes I missed 32 minutes limit and caused from 2 minutes to 5 extra minutes (I know a major negative)
b > Generally I miss Infer questions or any other difficulty level Hard question (Out of 16 questions for 4 RCs average of wrong answers is between 4 and 5) . Social science passage contributing to 2 errros at times and science passage with no errros.
C. > SCs feel confident but GMAT can trap me anytime especially when you are running in your last thirty minutes and your brain stop looking at minor differences between "cycle" and "cycles" for eaxmple (happned in a few SCs when i was tired)
d> CR: Same feeling as in SC (I will try to employ time strategy strictly here as well)

Latest take away and learnings:

1. I tend to take take more than 4 minutes to read some of the RCs (Social science or detailed busines ones) and take longer in answering infer/suggest questions

2. Following your advise, I did analyse each and every questions in indepth be the question answered incorrect or correct ,and then only I do next set of RCs.It has "improved "my sense of timing a little but especially understanding of questions and attacking strategy. However, I still miss sense of timing for sure, I can feel it.

Material to practise for last few days(Not much material left not time either) :

1. Continue practising RCs following your latest counsel (strategy to be epmloyed mentioned below after this topic)
2. Re-attempt and review of errors in SC and CRs OG 12 (June 10 )
3. Finish DS of OG 12 and some PS (June 11)
4. Do some (may be two ) verbal question set of 41 questions to effectively apply strategy learnt in fragments and one quent set of questions - revise errros and concepts (June 12)
5. Attempt GMAT Prep2 (June 13 ) with majot goal of applying all learnt so far in terms of speed (of course with essay questions this time)

Afterwards, I am left with two days in hand before the exam .


My strategy following your last post in order of priority : (I pick random set of questions in all my practise sets and so far, stick to OG material)

1. Not to Stay more than two minutes behind the expected timing (Staying ahead of time will be a dream though:) )

2. Improve sense of timing and prepare detailed timing statistics for each question (partially already doing it)

3. Employ the strategy on each question that is not to spend more than 30 seconds to one minute more and do so if and only if you think you can crack it.

Thanks once again for your time, will put a note on saturday or Sunday.
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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:27 pm
If you spend any extra time at all on any question, it should be only because you know exactly what you're doing. You can spend up to about 30-45 seconds longer on a question if you know that you know how to answer it correctly, but it just happens to be longer / more convoluted than usual.

For the types which you already know you're getting wrong most of the time anyway, DO NOT spend any EXTRA time on those problems. Not one second extra. You're mostly getting them wrong anyway; don't compound the error by also losing time on those questions.
SOmetimes I missed 32 minutes limit and caused from 2 minutes to 5 extra minutes (I know a major negative)
In more ways than you realize, possibly. You are not allowing yourself to feel the pain of running out of time. The test will not let you go one second beyond the given time, so you also have to stop yourself at the 32 minute limit (or whatever the limit is for what you're doing). Add up your results, including the ones you didn't get to (left blank on the real test), so that you can feel the full pain of not making yourself stick to your time limits. If you make yourself actually experience this pain, it will be a lot easier for you to force yourself to cut a problem off when you have to. If you do not allow yourself to experience this pain, then you will be a lot more likely to run out of time on the real test. (Then, AFTER you've done that, you can set up a new time limit and do the problems you didn't get to.)

Feel the pain now, when it doesn't count! This will help train you to do things better. :)
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by GMATMadeEasy » Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:33 pm
In more ways than you realize, possibly. You are not allowing yourself to feel the pain of running out of time.
What you have written is is profound. You have been reading my brain better than I do .

I was living in illusion of compensating lost time in the later part of the exam for verbal and the issue of speed is from day ONE and I have never been able to overcome this . The detailed discussion all of sudden throws huge light on what is going on at deep level. Well, I have read above post numerous times to train my unconscious mind ot be alert in terms of time in all possible ways. I have been trying all possible in last few days one can .

I have revised my SC errrors of OG12 today and went through the solutions again indepth. In verbal part , undoubetdly, one has to stay active and alert to maintain the accuracy.

I will finish error revision of CR erros - OG12 and SC - CR errros of Verbal review second edition tomorrow.

I did three RCs again just after being back from work, one RC related to management thzory (inventory etc) got me wrong again for suggest/infer question. Of course, I have done detailed analysis since beginningg but looks infer questions demand more than what I have been doing.
Any advise here so I could do better on infer question ? I put of course POE also to make educated guess.
In quant, any idea to push the score from 48 to 50 ? Of course, i am trying to make sure speed is good there as well.FYI, conceptually I am very good in all topics be it anything. DS causes the most of the damage.
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by Stacey Koprince » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:08 am
For RC Infer, here's an article that talks about how to study these kinds of questions (using a specific RC infer question as an example):
https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2010/02/ ... e-question

For quant, going from 48 to 50 might not seem like much, but it is a tough jump to make (roughly: low-80s percentile to low-90s percentile). In order to provide specific advice, I would need to know a lot more data about your strengths and weaknesses. If you'd like to do that, you can use that "evaluating your practice tests" article that I linked to above.

You may also benefit from reading this article:
https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2010/04/ ... -760-score

You aren't going for this kind of score overall, of course, but if you are aiming for a score in the 90s (percentile-wise) in either section, then this article does apply for that specific section.
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by GMATMadeEasy » Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:58 pm
Thanks again Stacey. I did go through both the posts and it definitely helps to put in the right frame of mind.

I did two verbal sets (One yesterday evening and one today) and in second one today, I was able to finish it almost on time. I forced myself to use all strategies and major goal was to finish the test on time. Couple of things I observed :

1. Questions were from verbal sets available over net on shared files server and in word doc format. In RCs somehow , I was doing very badly (9 RC Qs wrong ) partially because the RC is on different page so I could not connect to the text that efficiently and partially because I was also hurrying up. I am not sure fully of the RC mystery with these sets. But they help me to epmploy the strategy I have learnt from you.

2. Missing a little on quant practise so revising a bit important formulas etc.

Tomorrow morning, I will take second GMATPrep to gauge at this point how much I can apply of what we have discussed so far. I will again keep my goal to finish all sections in time.

will hear from me again soon.

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by GMATMadeEasy » Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:15 pm
Results of GMATPrep2 .

1. Quant 48: DS 10 wrong and PS 2 wrong . Both PS error are stupid error and most of DS are are GMAT trap, I dont know how can I avoid them.

2. Verbal 33 (Last GMAT Prep 29) : Gain of four points, employed time strategy alot but by the time I was at question 33 (Last RC) , I was running short of time a little. I did error of spending some time on RC (not enough time) and did all three questions wrong of RC i.e. 33 , 34 and 35. Q. no 36 SC was hard a, did wrong. Last four questions did in hurry and were wrong.

In verbal until Q36, 6 SC wrong and 4 RC wrong .Na drest five were blind guess out of which one was correct. I am a bit disappointed with SC performance and also, realized that in SC I am spending more time.

Question : What could be stragey for last two days to focus on, should I spend less time on SC or I go too fast in lasr RC as RC runs the risk anyways ?

Could you please advise , I am going to follow the same accordingly.
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by GMATMadeEasy » Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:43 pm
I took the test in proper timed condition.
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by kvcpk » Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:57 am
I read this chain of posts like a novel.. waiting to see what happens next.. I am on the same boat as you are.. will be taking the test next month... All THE BEST for your exam tomorrow.. I will give you a small advice.. Just smile at each tough question you face.. that gives you lot of relief.. I am practicing it these days.. :)

Waiting to see your result!!!
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