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by GMATMadeEasy » Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:50 am
@kvcpk : well, your post makes me smile when stress starts to prevail my head.

I have been practising through verbal sets but surprisingly , in these sets my RC accuray is drastically low than normal. Partially I feel it is because of RC is on a different page and questions on another and in addition, the RC text is not organised . But I have nothing else better to practise and my aim is to train my brain with instructions learnt while discussing with Stacey . I am training my brain muscles to react appropriately in emergencies i.e. whenever a time consuming question or hard one comes on the way .

trying to cope with stress and to continue to practise some more questions to train especially for speed.

will put a note tomorrow again if any breakthrough in between happened.

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by Stacey Koprince » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:02 am
I'm sorry I didn't get to this before your test - I'm only on here to answer questions every few days, so something posted two days before a test isn't likely to get a response in time - just FYI for others reading this. I hope your test is going very well right now!

In any event, my answer to what to do during the last 2 days is the same for pretty much everybody, regardless of strengths and weaknesses. High level review only, and no more than 2 hours of it on the last day before the test. DO NOT take a practice test during the last few days. Review the primary math and grammar facts you need to know (not EVERY last little thing, just the things that are most likely to be tested). Review your strategies for each question type (and question sub-types, where appropriate). Review your pacing strategies. Know how you're going to get to the test center. Get your ID, food, and drink ready to go. That sort of thing.

I'll answer your other questions for the benefit of others reading this.

For RC, I do agree that it's useful to study these on a computer screen as much as you can (because it's harder to read on the screen and then take notes on paper). But it would definitely mess up your rhythm to have to flip back and forth to see the text - you need to be able to see the text at the same time as you work on the problem. You might re-do the formatting, or you might print the material and then tape it up above your desk or to your computer screen (so that you have to look up to read and look down to take notes).

I will also say that I am more careful about the sources that I use, especially for CR and RC. There are no facts tested on those two question types; it's all about the language of the text and the questions. It's really important, for those, to study from either official questions or questions that were made by someone who had the necessary resources to do the research and make sure that the questions mimic real questions as much as possible.
Both PS error are stupid error and most of DS are are GMAT trap, I dont know how can I avoid them.
The first step in not falling into a trap is understanding how the trap works and how to recognize it when you see it in the future. If you see the trap, you may be able to avoid it. If you don't see it, you're probably going to fall right into it. Your test is... well, now, basically, so there isn't a lot you can do at this point, but for others reading this, it's really important to study WHY you made any errors you made, including falling into traps. Actually spell out for yourself what the trap is, why you fell into it, and how you might have noticed it and avoided it. Keep a log of these traps and continue to study how to spot the trap and how to avoid it.
Last four questions did in hurry and were wrong.
Yep, pretty much anything done in a hurry is much more likely to be wrong. The question is: where did you spend time that you should NOT have spent earlier in the test? How should you have known that you were spending too much time on those? When should you have cut yourself off and moved on? How could you have made an educated guess?
But I have nothing else better to practise
Again, just a bit of advice for others reading this. Once you've done the OG material, you are not done with that material unless you have gotten your goal score. There is a TON you can learn from those questions; go back over them again and again. Until you have learned everything you can from your existing questions, going to do a bunch of new questions is not really that worth your time. You're not going to suddenly start to do amazingly well on the new questions. So don't just use questions once (or maybe twice) and then move on to other materials. Pick those questions apart until you could practically write them yourself! (Or, at the least, you could explain why the test writer did write the problems in that way - every last word or number.)
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by GMATMadeEasy » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:56 am
going to do whatever possible for speed.

thank you thank you Stacey.

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by GMATMadeEasy » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:30 am
It's hard . Quant 49, Verbal 23.

verbal screwed so badly (only 23) , my overall impression is questions were easy and was able to finish on time , did miss last one or two questions may be. though last RC also, I did a bit tooo fast. Highly disapponuted looks like it is not achievable :((((((((((((( .

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by kvcpk » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:45 am
GMATMadeEasy wrote:It's hard . Quant 49, Verbal 23.

verbal screwed so badly (only 23) , my overall impression is questions were easy and was able to finish on time , did miss last one or two questions may be. though last RC also, I did a bit tooo fast. Highly disapponuted looks like it is not achievable :((((((((((((( .
Have you given your actual test?

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by GMATMadeEasy » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:09 am
This is actual test.

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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:09 am
I'm sorry you didn't hit your goal. It sounds like you still had some timing problems - both the last question or 2 and the entire last RC passage is at least 4-5 questions.

It's difficult to fix timing problems in the limited study time that you had. What are you thinking about for next steps?
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by GMATMadeEasy » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:14 am
It's harder to accept it .

But I sincerely thank you Stacey for your wonderful counselling , I wish I could contact you before. In quant , I did absolutely nothing at all, your counselling increased two to three points at least in quant and put me in comfortable situation. Number properties, inequality, probablity and sets are my fort so I see a question I used to do it . However, sometimes these questions can be trickey and kill your time. I skipped a question today after one minute, I made a right move.

In verbal, may be I was going too fast also sometimes, I have no idea what was wrong, I am wounded in this battle.

I think I should raise my target and re do it , but I have lost hope also at the same time, feel like it is not possible . :((( .

Between , my level of english in general is very good , well, I do not have results to back of what I am saying .

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by Stacey Koprince » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:20 am
Are you planning to take the test again? You sent me a PM asking what else could be done, so it sounds like you are. But you told me up-thread that you had deadlines coming up for your schools and that's why you couldn't take more time before this last test.

Are you still applying this year? Are you planning to postpone until next year?

If you are still applying this year, then you should focus on those applications and not worry about this test for now. Do the best you can on your apps and see what happens.

If you don't get in, or don't get into the programs you want the most, then we can talk about re-taking the test and applying again next year.
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by GMATMadeEasy » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:06 am
Thanks Stacey. What would you suggest at this point about re-taking of the exam ?
What should be done and how ?

Do we have enough samples who have improved from 20s scores to 40s ? I looks like an impossible job :( .

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by kamathshailesh » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:52 am
Hi Stacey,

I read the complete thread. I have about three weeks time for my GMAT and am targetting 700+. These three weeks are off from work, so I can have around 8-9 hrs per day for studying. I would start with detailing my practice with GMAT books, then the results of full length tests minus the essays, then continue with stating my weakness and finally look for suggestions from you

I always timed my practice, however the time slots used to be 75 minutes solving the sums and then reviewing my practice sums.

Here are the results of my practice (over multiple sessions)
OG(11) - Data sufficiency -- 85% accuracy -- avg time 88 seconds ( Inequalities is the weak area)
OG(11) - Problem Solving -- 90% accuracy -- avg time 88 seconds ( Probability & Permutation/Combinations are the weak areas, Some geometry)
OG(11) - CR -- 76% Accuracy - avg time 106 seconds (Questions with Except)
OG(11) - RC -- 66% Accuracy - avg time 105 seconds (difficulty in dealing with passages other than science)

SC is my weakest section. I have accuracy of around 60% without time pressure and this drops to around 50% when timed. The main issue here is of understanding the concepts tested on GMAT and then effectively applying them. With reading on this forum, now i am able to narrow down to 2 options but unable to nail the correct one.

I am done with Kaplan Premier Program for all sections and Kaplans GMAT 800 with sections other than SC.

Essays :- I have a gist of what's tested in AWA. I have practiced writing some essays and have got them reviewed from a friend. Its not all that bad, I would say good enough to score around 4.5 to 5

Last week, I started taking full length GMAT practice [again without the Essays]

Test 1 :- Source (PDFs shared my friend) Quant 35/37 and Verbal 18/41 .. This is the first time I took Quant and Verbal together. It took its toll on me and wasn't able to concentrate in last 10 mins and ended up marking answers at random for last 7 in verbal section

Test 2 :- GMATPrep Quant 28/37 (Scaled 49) and Verbal 25/41(Scaled 25)..Score 620 (completed both the sections and guessed 3 Qs in RC in between at random, even without reading the passage. One of the three was correct)

Test 3 :- Source (PDFs shared my friend) Quant 32/37 and Verbal 24/41 (completed both the sections and guessed 3 Qs in RC in between at random, even without reading the passage. None correct this time)

I have the details of individual sections which went wrong in these tests. In summary,
1. Sentence correction 50% accuracy
2. CR and RC... was able to solve most of them correctly while reviewing. This implies I have timing issue particularly after going through Quant.
3. Quant - I manage to finish it well in time ( around 5 minutes to spare). I am trying to space it even more. DS is key pain area, got almost all PS correct.

I understand these score might be inflated as I have skipped the essays. Effectively with the discounted scores, I am nowhere close to my target. This has taken a beating on my confidence.

Key issues

1. Sentence Correction
2. Concentrating for over long periods of time


Further plan

1. Buy Manhattan SC - Edition 4 and go through the concepts and devote 50% of days preparation on SC (Timing + conceptualizing)
2. I have 4 full length tests from Kaplan and One for GMATPrep up my sleeve.
3. I have more than 10 PDFs test from where I can practice. These are the PDFs which claim to have actual GMAT sums but which might be aged out.

I believe that with your experience you would be able to guide me given my current status. Please suggest me specifically with respect to
1. Sentence correction
2. Practice more RCs from ?
3. Full length tests. Which ones should I look at to achieve my target?
4. Should I look to improve DS(Quant)? I have significant room in verbal. So should I utilize it completely for Verbal

Please feel free to point out any flaws in my approach


Thanks in advance,
Shailesh

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by GMATMadeEasy » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:04 pm
She is on vacation but one thing very interesting : Your score and everything is just like me. Strange, how many people are in the same boat.

I have been eagerly waiting too to hear more from Stacey.


How did you find Kaplan Premium Online program by the way especially their RC and CR?

For SC, closeyourelf in a room and do this book couple of times. It is full of concepts , the best way is to do it slowly and digest everything with proper question practise.

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by GMATMadeEasy » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:05 pm
Book I meant Manhattan SC 4th edition.

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by kamathshailesh » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:26 pm
Thanks GMATMadeEasy for providing me information related to Stacey. I am eagerly waiting to hear from her after she returns from vacation.

In my view, Kaplan Premium Online program, is good. OG teaches you through practice Qs and detailing out answers for each and covers different types of Q. Whereas Kaplan teaches you through strategizing when a section starts and then the explanations for solutions are not as elaborate as OG. Though these strategies are good, one has to primarily train his mind to develop an instinct to solve the various sections.

When I read through the whole thread, I was able to relate a lot, hence i replied to this thread.

I will get started with Manhattan SC and would take corrective actions after i hear from the experts.

Thanks beatthegmat, for giving us such a platform to share details and learn from.

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by GMATMadeEasy » Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:56 am
One piece of advise fro mmy mistake in real exam:

DO NOT CHANGE your strategy at last minute. In verbal, i decided to go too fast and as a result i was spending too less time in SC and CR and spending more time in RC. So overall gain was nullified but resulted in more incorrect questions I beleive.Decide your stretgy now and practice it over the time left and stick to it.