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by rtaha2412 » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:28 pm
Art museums do not usually think of their collections as capital or consider the interest income that would be generated if a portion of the capital would have been invested in another form.
(A) be generated if a portion of the capital would have been
(B) have been generated if a portion of the capital would have been
(C) be generated if a portion of the capital were
(D) be generated if a portion of the capital was
(E) be generated if a portion of the capital had been
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by Target2009 » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:51 pm
IMO - D

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by tomada » Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:04 pm
IMO C.
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by sanabk » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:15 pm
C
if...were...

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by prachich1987 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:06 am
It has been discussed on BTG forums once
Please find below the link.
https://www.beatthegmat.com/a-portion-of ... 11980.html

I don't understand what's wrong with "E" but?

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by EducationAisle » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:24 am
prachich1987 wrote:It has been discussed on BTG forums once
Please find below the link.
https://www.beatthegmat.com/a-portion-of ... 11980.html

I don't understand what's wrong with "E" but?
For E (had been) to be correct, it should have been paired with a would have construction. So, following would have been correct:

Art museums do not usually think of their collections as capital or consider the interest income that would been generated if a portion of the capital had been invested in another form.

Just memorize this as one of those rules...
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by pesfunk » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:31 pm
IMO C

Whatz the OA ?
EducationAisle wrote:
prachich1987 wrote:It has been discussed on BTG forums once
Please find below the link.
https://www.beatthegmat.com/a-portion-of ... 11980.html

I don't understand what's wrong with "E" but?
For E (had been) to be correct, it should have been paired with a would have construction. So, following would have been correct:

Art museums do not usually think of their collections as capital or consider the interest income that would been generated if a portion of the capital had been invested in another form.

Just memorize this as one of those rules...

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by cyrwr1 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:46 pm
Is the OA C? Please give me insight about this question. Thank you

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by Geva@EconomistGMAT » Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:54 am
cyrwr1 wrote:Is the OA C? Please give me insight about this question. Thank you
The answer should be C.

Conditionals problems will usually include three possible errors:

1) Mixing up or otherwise disturbing the correct structure of the three conditional forms.

Conditional I: If...present ......present / future
If the capital is invested, it generates income.
If the capital is invested, it will generate income

Conditional II: if....past simple/progressive....future past (would)
If the capital were invested, the income would be generated

Conditional III: if....past perfect (had+V3) .....would+have+V3.
If the capital had been invested, the income would have been generated.
Note that the order of the "condition" part and the "result" part can be reversed, but the structure must remain the same. For example, C inverts the order of the conditional, but is still correct:

the income would be generated if the capital were invested.

This is why it's important to think in terms of "condition (if) part" and "result part" - not in terms of "first" and "second" parts. Once we understand this, the problem with E is clear: it mixes up the second and third conditional forms. The result part comes before the underlined section, and uses "would", not "would have + v3"; this conforms to the second conditional and not the third, so we need past "were", not past perfect "had been".

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2) The second common error in conditionals is the error of C Vs. D: the second conditional uses "were", not "was". This is the one case where the rules of subject verb agreement break down, and is thus a favorite diction error: when using the second conditional with the past form of the verb "be", always use "were", not "was", regardless of whether the subject is plural or singular.

3) Last common error tested in conditional questions pits the conditional Vs. Whether: the question here is whether a true condition is actually needed, i.e. does the sentence present an if (condition) then (result) case, or just a whether or not case.

Incorrect: the weatherman is not sure if it will rain.
No real condition + result case, so the correct form replaces the conditional with "whether"
Correct: the weatherman is not sure whether it will rain.
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by cyrwr1 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:53 pm
@Gena Thank you very much for your lengthy response. I had just chose C simply because of your conditional II. I appreciate your explanations and have made note of your response. Thank you once again! :D

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by Ikonik » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:03 am
Thanks for the explanation above - took me a while to understand it :)
I am clear with conditional 1 and 3.

Conditional II: if....past simple/progressive....future past (would)
If the capital were invested, the income would be generated

What would be the correct ending to, or is the sentence wrong altogether?
If the capital was invested, the income ___generated (would be or would have been or other)

You mentioned above that
the second conditional uses "were", not "was". This is the one case where the rules of subject verb agreement break down, and is thus a favorite diction error: when using the second conditional with the past form of the verb "be", always use "were", not "was", regardless of whether the subject is plural or singular.
Could you please give examples of its application?
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by Geva@EconomistGMAT » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:14 am
Ikonik wrote:Thanks for the explanation above - took me a while to understand it :)
I am clear with conditional 1 and 3.

Conditional II: if....past simple/progressive....future past (would)
If the capital were invested, the income would be generated

What would be the correct ending to:
If the capital was invested, the income ___generated (would be or would have been or other)

Further: is 'capital' by itself plural, is that why we use 'were' with capital?
Ikonik, there is no way a conditional will use capital was - see my point 2 above. The second conditional uses the past, but always uses "were" - not "was".
Your sentence also cannot use "would have been", because that is part of conditional III, which would require the condition part to be in the past perfect "had been invested".
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by Ikonik » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:18 am
oh thanks, I think I was editing my query while you you were replying to it!
Could you please shoot out a couple of examples on this?

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by Ikonik » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:29 am
I'm thinking up some... hope I'm not far from correct

- if the money were available with the company, the policies would be different today.
- if I were not so rich, I would have learnt to work hard long ago (here I use would have, is 'were' correct).
- If my cat were not so lazy, he would be healthier today
- If my cat were not so lazy, he would have caught some mice around here? (would have)

Confused :(

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by Geva@EconomistGMAT » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:35 am
Ikonik wrote:oh thanks, I think I was editing my query while you you were replying to it!
Could you please shoot out a couple of examples on this?
Incorrect: If I was a rich man, I would buy a house.
Correct: If I were a rich man, I would buy a house.
In a regular sentence , "I" is a singular subject: I was going to buy the house, but I'm not rich enough.
In a conditional II clause, we use "were", regardless of the subject.

also correct: If I bought the house, I would be a rich man.
the last one doesn't use "were", but correctly uses the past in a cond. II sentence.


Also Incorrect:
If I were a rich man, I would have bought a house.
I would have bought the house, If I were rich enough
I will buy the house, If I were rich enough

Care to tell us what's the problem with each version?
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