The value of the dollar in international markets will

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The value of the dollar in international markets will continue to increase, as it has been since interest rates began to rise.

(A) as it has been
(B) as it has done
(C) which it has
(D) which it has been
(E) which it had been

OA: B

I got it correct but not completely confident on how to differentiate between A and B in the future. Please advise, thanks.
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by prodizy » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:41 am
Option A has no verb - has been is a linking verb. I am not yet covered this topic so I might be wrong.

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by sameerballani » Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:25 am
cyrwr1 wrote:The value of the dollar in international markets will continue to increase, as it has been since interest rates began to rise.

(A) as it has been
(B) as it has done
(C) which it has
(D) which it has been
(E) which it had been

OA: B

I got it correct but not completely confident on how to differentiate between A and B in the future. Please advise, thanks.
I feel that we have IT so we need has done.
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has done ....
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has been since .... doesn't make any sense

in case we were to compare the increase we need -> as has been [the increase] since ....

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by aspirant2011 » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:09 am
sameerballani wrote:
cyrwr1 wrote:The value of the dollar in international markets will continue to increase, as it has been since interest rates began to rise.

(A) as it has been
(B) as it has done
(C) which it has
(D) which it has been
(E) which it had been

OA: B

I got it correct but not completely confident on how to differentiate between A and B in the future. Please advise, thanks.
I feel that we have IT so we need has done.
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has done ....
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has been since .... doesn't make any sense

in case we were to compare the increase we need -> as has been [the increase] since ....
Hi Sameer,

I have a doubt on one thing i.e how the value can do something on its own????? don't you feel that B changes the meaning by introducing action verb done??????

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by sameerballani » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:55 pm
Your question is valid. But i would say that this is probably the best option out of the given options. Option A was near, but it has IT which seems fishy.
May be we can have expert comments.
aspirant2011 wrote:
sameerballani wrote:
cyrwr1 wrote:The value of the dollar in international markets will continue to increase, as it has been since interest rates began to rise.

(A) as it has been
(B) as it has done
(C) which it has
(D) which it has been
(E) which it had been

OA: B

I got it correct but not completely confident on how to differentiate between A and B in the future. Please advise, thanks.
I feel that we have IT so we need has done.
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has done ....
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has been since .... doesn't make any sense

in case we were to compare the increase we need -> as has been [the increase] since ....
Hi Sameer,

I have a doubt on one thing i.e how the value can do something on its own????? don't you feel that B changes the meaning by introducing action verb done??????

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by aspirant2011 » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:50 am
sameerballani wrote:Your question is valid. But i would say that this is probably the best option out of the given options. Option A was near, but it has IT which seems fishy.
May be we can have expert comments.
aspirant2011 wrote:
sameerballani wrote:
cyrwr1 wrote:The value of the dollar in international markets will continue to increase, as it has been since interest rates began to rise.

(A) as it has been
(B) as it has done
(C) which it has
(D) which it has been
(E) which it had been

OA: B

I got it correct but not completely confident on how to differentiate between A and B in the future. Please advise, thanks.
I feel that we have IT so we need has done.
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has done ....
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has been since .... doesn't make any sense

in case we were to compare the increase we need -> as has been [the increase] since ....
Hi Sameer,

I have a doubt on one thing i.e how the value can do something on its own????? don't you feel that B changes the meaning by introducing action verb done??????
Hi Sameer,

It is there in option B also and I feel it refers to the value, if I reframe option A then it would become "as it [value] has been [increasing] since interest rates begin to rise"

Somehow I am not able to find anything wrong with option A......:-([/u]

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by Frankenstein » Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:29 am
Hi,
I have a doubt on one thing i.e how the value can do something on its own?????
It is just the usage. If that is the case, it should not increase by itself..right?
It is there in option B also and I feel it refers to the value, if I reframe option A then it would become "as it [value] has been [increasing] since interest rates begin to rise"
Problem is not with 'it'. You have already made it clear by reframing it. But, there is no 'increasing' in the sentence before. So, I don't think we can remove it as ellipsis.
If the sentence is something like 'it did not increase and will not ' it is understood that it is equivalent to it did not increase and will not[increase]
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by sameerballani » Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:59 am
The value of the dollar in international markets will continue to increase, as it has been since interest rates began to rise.

(A) as it[the value] has been -> it needs increasing but in original sentence we have increase.

If there were an option - as has been
will this be correct?
aspirant2011 wrote:
sameerballani wrote:Your question is valid. But i would say that this is probably the best option out of the given options. Option A was near, but it has IT which seems fishy.
May be we can have expert comments.
aspirant2011 wrote:
sameerballani wrote:
cyrwr1 wrote:The value of the dollar in international markets will continue to increase, as it has been since interest rates began to rise.

(A) as it has been
(B) as it has done
(C) which it has
(D) which it has been
(E) which it had been

OA: B

I got it correct but not completely confident on how to differentiate between A and B in the future. Please advise, thanks.
I feel that we have IT so we need has done.
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has done ....
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has been since .... doesn't make any sense

in case we were to compare the increase we need -> as has been [the increase] since ....
Hi Sameer,

I have a doubt on one thing i.e how the value can do something on its own????? don't you feel that B changes the meaning by introducing action verb done??????
Hi Sameer,

It is there in option B also and I feel it refers to the value, if I reframe option A then it would become "as it [value] has been [increasing] since interest rates begin to rise"

Somehow I am not able to find anything wrong with option A......:-([/u]

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by aspirant2011 » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:00 am
sameerballani wrote:The value of the dollar in international markets will continue to increase, as it has been since interest rates began to rise.

(A) as it[the value] has been -> it needs increasing but in original sentence we have increase.

If there were an option - as has been
will this be correct?
aspirant2011 wrote:
sameerballani wrote:Your question is valid. But i would say that this is probably the best option out of the given options. Option A was near, but it has IT which seems fishy.
May be we can have expert comments.
aspirant2011 wrote:
sameerballani wrote:
cyrwr1 wrote:The value of the dollar in international markets will continue to increase, as it has been since interest rates began to rise.

(A) as it has been
(B) as it has done
(C) which it has
(D) which it has been
(E) which it had been

OA: B

I got it correct but not completely confident on how to differentiate between A and B in the future. Please advise, thanks.
I feel that we have IT so we need has done.
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has done ....
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has been since .... doesn't make any sense

in case we were to compare the increase we need -> as has been [the increase] since ....
Hi Sameer,

I have a doubt on one thing i.e how the value can do something on its own????? don't you feel that B changes the meaning by introducing action verb done??????
Hi Sameer,

It is there in option B also and I feel it refers to the value, if I reframe option A then it would become "as it [value] has been [increasing] since interest rates begin to rise"

Somehow I am not able to find anything wrong with option A......:-([/u]
OK....I agree increasing would have been incorrect but somehow I am still doubtful about option B correct.........is the original sentence from a valid source??????

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by sameerballani » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:41 pm
Hi,
I was just thinking about this. I thought of a sentence:

The increasing value of petrol prices HAS CHANGED the attitude of public, which has now started to switch to public transport facility.

You might argue that its not actually the value that has caused a change, but its the INCREASING VALUE. That means the trend the value is following/having is responsible for the change. What are your comments on this?

I again read this question, but again i feel its the best among all. I am not able to think of any other way to deliver the same meaning. Do you have any other self-made option, which you feel is better than option B.

The option i said before - as has been - Even that's wrong i suppose
your comments.

@ cyrwr1
What's the source?

thanks
aspirant2011 wrote:
sameerballani wrote:
cyrwr1 wrote:The value of the dollar in international markets will continue to increase, as it has been since interest rates began to rise.

(A) as it has been
(B) as it has done
(C) which it has
(D) which it has been
(E) which it had been

OA: B

I got it correct but not completely confident on how to differentiate between A and B in the future. Please advise, thanks.
I feel that we have IT so we need has done.
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has done ....
increase in the same way , as it [the value] has been since .... doesn't make any sense

in case we were to compare the increase we need -> as has been [the increase] since ....
Hi Sameer,

I have a doubt on one thing i.e how the value can do something on its own????? don't you feel that B changes the meaning by introducing action verb done??????

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by Frankenstein » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:34 pm
sameerballani wrote: The option i said before - as has been - Even that's wrong i suppose
your comments.
Hi,
I believe this is definitely wrong because we have already explained that 'increasing' is not understood by ellipsis because we haven't used it before in the sentence.
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by aspirant2011 » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:50 am
sameerballani wrote:Hi,

The increasing value of petrol prices HAS CHANGED the attitude of public, which has now started to switch to public transport facility.

You might argue that its not actually the value that has caused a change, but its the INCREASING VALUE. That means the trend the value is following/having is responsible for the change. What are your comments on this?
Hi Sameer,

Yup I agree that I would say increasing value is responsible for the change.......

@Frankeinstein: Can you please confirm on one thing i.e you mentioned in your post that with word increasing ellipsis can't be used.........is this a universal rule?????

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by cyrwr1 » Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:40 am
I got this from gmatclub. I came across this and was confused about it.

What I think about this problem is that, if A were to be correct, it would be :

as it has been doing

B, simplifies that with "as it has done", I am not particular sure whether this substitution is always correct.

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by Frankenstein » Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:12 am
aspirant2011 wrote: Hi Sameer,

Yup I agree that I would say increasing value is responsible for the change.......

@Frankeinstein: Can you please confirm on one thing i.e you mentioned in your post that with word increasing ellipsis can't be used.........is this a universal rule?????
Hi,
I am bad at technical terms. I do not know if I can say ellipsis. But, my thinking is on same lines with what cywr1 has mentioned if we are to express ' as it has been increasing', we say ' as it has been doing'
So, on the same lines I believe 'as it has done' implies 'as it has increased' Both are in past participle forms.
I will post an excerpt from Ron's post elsewhere. That might be helpful to some extent.
In general
* if you have than/as + subject + FORM OF "TO DO" as the second half of a comparison, then you must have an ACTION VERB (or another form of "to do") in the first half of the comparison.
Example:
1)Parking spots disappeared much faster today than they did yesterday.
2)Tanya eats more slowly than she did when she was a teenager. (note that "did" doesn't have to have the same tense as the action verb)
If experts can comment on this question, it would be great.
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by Ashley@VeritasPrep » Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:17 pm
cyrwr1 wrote:I got this from gmatclub. I came across this and was confused about it.

What I think about this problem is that, if A were to be correct, it would be :

as it has been doing

B, simplifies that with "as it has done", I am not particular sure whether this substitution is always correct.
Received PMs about this one -- The above has it just right... and yes, that substitution is always valid as long as it doesn't result in tense errors. Frankenstein's post just above is right on, too.

Overall, remember that both for GMAT purposes and for "real life" writing, your job is just to choose the best phrasing you can. If I were a teacher correcting the grammar of students' essays or something, I don't know that I'd call it an error necessarily to say "continue to increase as it has been," BUT it doesn't HAVE to be an error for us not to choose it -- it just has to be not as good as some other alternative. In this case we KNOW that (B) works for sure, because we know that "do" (and forms of it) can function for verbs as pronouns do for nouns, i.e. tell you to mentally repeat whatever verb they're referring to. If we go through that mental repetition, (B) says "as it has increased..." and so I've for sure got my verb in there. Some people would validly argue that "has been" can cue repetition in whatever form is necessary, which is why (A) may be acceptable, but if some part of you feels like "I wish there were a 'doing' tacked onto the end of (A)," and if no part of you has any reservations about (B), go with (B). :) It's obviously a lot more confidence-inspiring when you can rule answers out based on specific grammatical violations, but we always have to remember that sometimes an answer choice doesn't make the cut simply because it's not the best of the five options :)
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