Redundancy Doubt

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goelmohit2002: Legendary Member; Posts: 1799; Joined: Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:03 amFollowed by: 2 members; Thanked: 36 times

by goelmohit2002 » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:38 am

Hi All,

Can somebody please help me understand why [spoiler]"B"[/spoiler] is best in Q1 and [spoiler]"A"[/spoiler] is best in Q2 ?

In Q1 we are ignoring [spoiler]"them"[/spoiler] as redundant and in Q2, we are keeping [spoiler]"they"[/spoiler] to make it clear. Can somebody please help in clearing this ?

Kindly share your thoughts.

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Q1. Of the people who bought about the reformation, the religious revolution that grew out of objections to the doctrines of the medieval church, Martin Luther is the best known of them.

(A) Martin Luther is the best known of them.
(B) the best known is Martin Luther
(C) the better known of them was Martin Luther
(D) Martin Luther is better known
(E) the best known one was Martin Luther

Q2. In the Champagne region of France, wine growers still harvest grapes as they have done, by carefully hand-picking their crop and storing their precious fruit in specially aged casks for centuries.

(A) wine growers still harvest grapes as they have done
(B) the wine growers still harvests grapes as he has
(C) wine growers still harvest grapes as was done
(D) wine growers still harvest grapes as has been done
(E) wine growers still harvest as they did

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Mohit

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by rs2010 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:08 pm

Yes Mohit you are correct about Q1 while in Q2 B and D are using he to refer winegrowers. Since the activity is still continue so we have use Present tense with present perfect.

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by goelmohit2002 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:19 pm

Sorry...there was a small typo.....in option "D" of Q2...

Please read
"wine growers still harvest grapes as he has been done "
as
"wine growers still harvest grapes as has been done"

I have corrected the original post too.

Reposting the original question again.

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In Q1 we are ignoring "them" as redundant and in Q2, we are keeping "they" to make it clear. Can somebody please help in clearing this ?

Thanks
Mohit

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by lunarpower » Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:02 am

q1:

(a) = easy elimination.
it already says "of the people...", so you can't have "of them" in addition.

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q2:

this question is so ugly that it makes me want to throw things.

no official problem would ever just say "...as they have done" without following it up with something (i.e., "for generations"). if you just write "...as they have done", then, for all you know, they've only done it that way once.

(a) is the best of these choices, though, because it contains the best parallelism. i.e., it stays in the active voice, and contains a valid pronoun ("they").

(b) is just ridiculous, for more reasons than i can even count.

(c) and (d) switch to the passive voice, breaking parallelism, for no good reason.

(e) omits "grapes", fatally altering the meaning of the sentence.

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by goelmohit2002 » Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:11 am

lunarpower wrote:q1:

(a) = easy elimination.
it already says "of the people...", so you can't have "of them" in addition.

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q2:

this question is so ugly that it makes me want to throw things.

no official problem would ever just say "...as they have done" without following it up with something (i.e., "for generations"). if you just write "...as they have done", then, for all you know, they've only done it that way once.

(a) is the best of these choices, though, because it contains the best parallelism. i.e., it stays in the active voice, and contains a valid pronoun ("they").

(b) is just ridiculous, for more reasons than i can even count.

(c) and (d) switch to the passive voice, breaking parallelism, for no good reason.

(e) omits "grapes", fatally altering the meaning of the sentence.

Thanks Ron for Q1.

Can you please tell how parallelism is broken in "D" and maintained in "C"....

to me as far as parallelism is concerned, they both look same ....

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Mohit

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by lunarpower » Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:18 am

goelmohit2002 wrote:Can you please tell how parallelism is broken in "D" and maintained in "C"....

hmm?

i wrote:

lunarpower wrote:(c) and (d) switch to the passive voice, breaking parallelism, for no good reason.

i.e., both (c) and (d) break parallelism.

where'd you think i wrote that (c) was parallel?

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by goelmohit2002 » Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:48 am

Hi Ron,

I interpreted the below reply of yours as though you mean to say that "C" maintains parallelism. Please correct if I am wrong in my interpretation.

"though, because it contains the best parallelism. i.e., it stays in the active voice, and contains a valid pronoun ("they")."

Does this mean that we are kicking out "C" based on passive voice alone...can there be some other reason too....as I have not often seen OG kicking out choices based on passive voice alone. Please correct me if I am missing something here.

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by lunarpower » Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:09 am

goelmohit2002 wrote:Hi Ron,

I interpreted the below reply of yours as though you mean to say that "C" maintains parallelism. Please correct if I am wrong in my interpretation.

"though, because it contains the best parallelism. i.e., it stays in the active voice, and contains a valid pronoun ("they")."

i wrote that about choice (a), not (c).

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for a problem in which active/passive nonparallelism is the basis for eliminating some answer choices, see #86 in the 11th edition OG.

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by goelmohit2002 » Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:45 am

Thanks Ron.

Sorry I meant to say "A" too....by mistake wrote "C".

Basically wanted to compare between "A" and "D".

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by perfectstranger » Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:32 pm

Can someone explain why the right answer is A instead of E since the sentence is written with past tense.

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by rs2010 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:44 pm

because you need noun after modifier.

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