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by finance » Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:24 am
Although it is required for admission,
many candidates have not completed
three advanced courses in chemistry.
A. Although it is required for
admission,
B. Although required for admission,
C. Although they are requirements for
admission,
D. Although required,
E. Required for admission,
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by gmat25 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:11 am
Op A is correct

"Although" is a subordinating conjunction and initiates a dependent clause. A clause must contain a subject and verb, hence Drop Op B, D and E.

Op C is wrong because of pronoun THEY. I believe the requirement is to complete those advanced courses not just the courses. THEY refer to courses and incorrect.

Op A: you may ask, pronoun IT is referring to what??? well i believe this is INTRODUCTORY IT.

Ex: -- It is raining. ----> this ex is correct. here IT is called introductory it


Same is the case in OP A hence correct
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by mundasingh123 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:22 am
gmat25 wrote:Op A is correct

"Although" is a subordinating conjunction and initiates a dependent clause. A clause must contain a subject and verb, hence Drop Op B, D and E.

Op C is wrong because of pronoun THEY. I believe the requirement is to complete those advanced courses not just the courses. THEY refer to courses and incorrect.

Op A: you may ask, pronoun IT is referring to what??? well i believe this is INTRODUCTORY IT.

Ex: -- It is raining. ----> this ex is correct. here IT is called introductory it


Same is the case in OP A hence correct
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by mundasingh123 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:25 am
Isnt the opening modifier supposed to modify students.
The pronoun it remains ambiguous .
It is not a placeholder here .A placeholder tells us that the subject is about to follow
IMO B
I continue to have doubts regarding what an opening phrase is supposed to modify
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by gmat25 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:32 am
mundasingh123 wrote:
gmat25 wrote:Op A is correct

"Although" is a subordinating conjunction and initiates a dependent clause. A clause must contain a subject and verb, hence Drop Op B, D and E.

Op C is wrong because of pronoun THEY. I believe the requirement is to complete those advanced courses not just the courses. THEY refer to courses and incorrect.

Op A: you may ask, pronoun IT is referring to what??? well i believe this is INTRODUCTORY IT.

Ex: -- It is raining. ----> this ex is correct. here IT is called introductory it


Same is the case in OP A hence correct
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No i'm not a native speaker...what made u think so????
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by gmat25 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:36 am
mundasingh123 wrote:Isnt the opening modifier supposed to modify students.
The pronoun it remains ambiguous .
It is not a placeholder here .A placeholder tells us that the subject is about to follow
IMO B
I continue to have doubts regarding what an opening phrase is supposed to modify
Op B starts with ALTHOUGH, and therefore, That part must be a clause. "Although required for admission," is not a clause. This thing holds true in case of WHICH and THAT also (whenever THAT introduces a relative clause). Hence, i don't think OP B is correct.
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by HSPA » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:38 am
Isnt the three courses Plural.

Although X Y is the idiom with X and Y in contrast

Although the three coures are required for admission,the three courses are tough and difficult for many stundents to attain pass mark.
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by mundasingh123 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:49 am
gmat25 wrote:
mundasingh123 wrote:Isnt the opening modifier supposed to modify students.
The pronoun it remains ambiguous .
It is not a placeholder here .A placeholder tells us that the subject is about to follow
IMO B
I continue to have doubts regarding what an opening phrase is supposed to modify
Op B starts with ALTHOUGH, and therefore, That part must be a clause. "Although required for admission," is not a clause. This thing holds true in case of WHICH and THAT also (whenever THAT introduces a relative clause). Hence, i don't think OP B is correct.
There are always exceptions to some rules.
For example As is a conjunction and is supposed to be followed by a clause when used for comparison.
So an exception to this rule is
As in this case , the number of students getting into Bschools continue to be determined by the economic situation.
The example may not be 100% correct but the idea is to illustrate an exception to this rule
Which and that are relative pronouns
Although like As is a sub. conjunction . As can be used to connect a phrase to a clause . Need to confirm whether Although can work in the same fashion as AS
This could perhaps be 1 reason that what applies to Which & That may not apply to Although .
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by mundasingh123 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:53 am
HSPA wrote:Isnt the three courses Plural.
This may hold some substance
Although X Y is the idiom with X and Y in contrast

Although the three coures are required for admission,the three courses are tough and difficult for many stundents to attain pass mark.
I think this Sc does have a contrast
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by gmat25 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:00 am
mundasingh123 wrote:
gmat25 wrote:
mundasingh123 wrote:Isnt the opening modifier supposed to modify students.
The pronoun it remains ambiguous .
It is not a placeholder here .A placeholder tells us that the subject is about to follow
IMO B
I continue to have doubts regarding what an opening phrase is supposed to modify
Op B starts with ALTHOUGH, and therefore, That part must be a clause. "Although required for admission," is not a clause. This thing holds true in case of WHICH and THAT also (whenever THAT introduces a relative clause). Hence, i don't think OP B is correct.
There are always exceptions to some rules.
For example As is a conjunction and is supposed to be followed by a clause when used for comparison.
So an exception to this rule is
As in this case , the number of students getting into Bschools continue to be determined by the economic situation.
The example may not be 100% correct but the idea is to illustrate an exception to this rule
Which and that are relative pronouns
Although like As is a sub. conjunction .
This could perhaps be 1 reason that what applies to Which & That may not apply to Although .
Well exceptions are there, i do agree but not in all the cases. For example COMMA + ING modifier exception only holds for "including". In case of ALTHOUGH, almost always i have seen it introducing a dependent clause. Even GMAT people share the same belief. Here is a Q-14 from OG 12 and its explanation.

Sunspots, vortices of gas associated with strong electromagnetic activity, are visible as dark spots on the surface of the Sun but have never been sighted on the Sun's poles or equator.

(A) are visible as dark spots on the surface of the Sun but have never been sighted on
(B) are visible as dark spots that never have been sighted on the surface of the Sun
(C) appear on the surface of the Sun as dark spots although never sighted at
(D) appear as dark spots on the surface of the Sun, although never having been sighted at
(E) appear as dark spots on the Sun's surface, which have never been sighted on

for Op C and D, official explanation is:

C Although typically introduces a subordinate clause, which has a subject and a verb, but here there is no subject and sighted is not a complete verb.

D Although usually introduces a subordinate clause, but there is no subject of the clause and having been sighted is not a complete verb phrase.
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by mundasingh123 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:03 am
gmat25 wrote:
mundasingh123 wrote:
gmat25 wrote:
mundasingh123 wrote:Isnt the opening modifier supposed to modify students.
The pronoun it remains ambiguous .
It is not a placeholder here .A placeholder tells us that the subject is about to follow
IMO B
I continue to have doubts regarding what an opening phrase is supposed to modify
Op B starts with ALTHOUGH, and therefore, That part must be a clause. "Although required for admission," is not a clause. This thing holds true in case of WHICH and THAT also (whenever THAT introduces a relative clause). Hence, i don't think OP B is correct.
There are always exceptions to some rules.
For example As is a conjunction and is supposed to be followed by a clause when used for comparison.
So an exception to this rule is
As in this case , the number of students getting into Bschools continue to be determined by the economic situation.
The example may not be 100% correct but the idea is to illustrate an exception to this rule
Which and that are relative pronouns
Although like As is a sub. conjunction .
This could perhaps be 1 reason that what applies to Which & That may not apply to Although .
Well exceptions are there, i do agree but not in all the cases. For example COMMA + ING modifier exception only holds for "including". In case of ALTHOUGH, almost always i have seen it introducing a dependent clause. Even GMAT people share the same belief. Here is a Q-14 from OG 12 and its explanation.

Sunspots, vortices of gas associated with strong electromagnetic activity, are visible as dark spots on the surface of the Sun but have never been sighted on the Sun's poles or equator.

(A) are visible as dark spots on the surface of the Sun but have never been sighted on
(B) are visible as dark spots that never have been sighted on the surface of the Sun
(C) appear on the surface of the Sun as dark spots although never sighted at
(D) appear as dark spots on the surface of the Sun, although never having been sighted at
(E) appear as dark spots on the Sun's surface, which have never been sighted on

for Op C and D, official explanation is:

C Although typically introduces a subordinate clause, which has a subject and a verb, but here there is no subject and sighted is not a complete verb.

D Although usually introduces a subordinate clause, but there is no subject of the clause and having been sighted is not a complete verb phrase.
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by mundasingh123 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:04 am
So what is the correct answer here
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It in A is ambiguous . Wheres the original Poster .
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by gmat25 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:05 am
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Can u please reveal the OA and the source of this problem. I think we already had enough discussion on this question and now OA and source may guide us where we are going wrong.
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by mundasingh123 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:06 am
mundasingh123 wrote:So what is the correct answer here
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It in A is ambiguous . Wheres the original Poster .
This Sc could well be from the same dubious source from where finance posted an SC yesterday . That SC too had a faulty OA
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by Frankenstein » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:06 am
As can be used to connect a phrase to a clause .
Hi,
Clause follows 'as' is well known. As far as I know, 'as' can be followed only by prepositional phrases, not other forms of phrases.
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