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Pensions - Deferred Payment 1000SC - Q575

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goelmohit2002: Legendary Member; Posts: 1799; Joined: Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:03 amFollowed by: 2 members; Thanked: 36 times

by goelmohit2002 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:34 am

Hi All,

In the below question, the answer is "E". Can somebody please help me understand how this answer as a standalone sentence correct ? Don't we need "that" after money as we are narrowing down the type of money. Please tell what I am missing here ?

Pensions are now viewed as a deferred payment of salary, money a worker is compelled to put away to take care of one’s later years.

(A) a worker is compelled to put away to take care of one’s
(B) that a worker is compelled to put away to take care of oneself in
(C) a worker is compelled to put away to take care of oneself in
(D) workers are compelled to put away to take care of them in
(E) workers are compelled to put away to take care of themselves in

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by rs2010 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:58 am

I agree with you but which other would you prefer?

In GMAT you need to the best out of available choices.

In B we used that but what about oneself?

E is best choice available.

First 3 choices have oneself problem while D has away to take care of them in problem.

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by goelmohit2002 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:22 am

But why are we preferring to keep "B" with oneself error. Why the priority of "oneself" error lower then the "that" error ??

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by rs2010 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:32 am

One can teach oneself to do X.

This is the correct usage.

There fore, e is best available choice.

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by goelmohit2002 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:52 am

yes, that is correct.

But as QG mentions we need to have restrictive word "that" after a noun if we need to tell more about the noun.

So on that basis alone why should not we use a first filter "that" for vertical splitting?

i.e. kick out all the answers not containing "that". Basically over here in the sentence there are two problems going simultaneously.

1. Pronoun reference issue.(one/workers....Oneself/themselves)
2. "that" missing issue....

On what basis we should decide which error to be kept in the final answer. Does it comes down to coin toss between the two

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by scoobydooby » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:28 am

in the sentence missing "that" is not any issue. the pronoun mismatch is the decider.

"that" is used as a restrictive modifier, for info about a specific noun.

in the given sentence, pensions are used in a general way..what exactly pensions in general are. it doesnt specify any particular pension of any particular worker.

if we want to identify a particular pension plan we might say: " the pension that you were supposed to receive has been witheld" (god forbid

)

also, "that" is a must after "indicate, report, announced.. etc etc)

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by goelmohit2002 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:37 pm

Thanks.

But over here in this sentence how money is modifying "Pensions"...why is it not modifying the "salary".....the noun just preceding it....both pension and salary are some form of payment of money....

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Mohit

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by scoobydooby » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:16 am

mohitgoel02,

i look at it this way:
pensions=deferred payment of salary=money workers put away...

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by goelmohit2002 » Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:37 am

scoobydooby wrote:mohitgoel02,

i look at it this way:
pensions=deferred payment of salary=money workers put away...

Logically yes...that is what the sentence want to convey....but as per OG examples....money should ideally modify "salary". Can somebody please help me understand...how money is not modifying salary but it is modifying "Pensions" in this sentence.

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Mohit

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by piyush_nitt » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:56 am

goelmohit2002 wrote:
scoobydooby wrote:mohitgoel02,

i look at it this way:
pensions=deferred payment of salary=money workers put away...
Logically yes...that is what the sentence want to convey....but as per OG examples....money should ideally modify "salary". Can somebody please help me understand...how money is not modifying salary but it is modifying "Pensions" in this sentence.

Thanks
Mohit

Guys

don't you think B is only correct choice

Rest all are the examples of comma splice.

Please share your thoughts!

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by goelmohit2002 » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:06 am

Experts please share your opinion about this.

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Mohit

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HI

by srivas » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:12 am

Here sentence started with "pensions", so Workers and not the worker - themselves is the right pronoun

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by goelmohit2002 » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:38 am

Thanks Srinivas.

Can somebody please help me in clearing the following doubt:

goelmohit2002 wrote:
scoobydooby wrote:mohitgoel02,

i look at it this way:
pensions=deferred payment of salary=money workers put away...
Logically yes...that is what the sentence want to convey....but as per OG examples....money should ideally modify "salary". Can somebody please help me understand...how money is not modifying salary but it is modifying "Pensions" in this sentence.

Thanks
Mohit

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by krishnakumarhod » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:32 pm

Pensions are now viewed as a deferred payment of salary, money a worker is compelled to put away to take care of one’s later years.

(A) a worker is compelled to put away to take care of one’s
(B) that a worker is compelled to put away to take care of oneself in
(C) a worker is compelled to put away to take care of oneself in
(D) workers are compelled to put away to take care of them in
(E) workers are compelled to put away to take care of themselves in

I see some kind of paralellism

Pensions are now viewed...Wokers are compelled
seems structurly parallel

In D 'them' seems to refer to whom?

Please let me know abt more on this

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by nervesofsteel » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:15 pm

(A) a worker is compelled to put away to take care of one’s
(B) that a worker is compelled to put away to take care of oneself in
(C) a worker is compelled to put away to take care of oneself in
(D) workers are compelled to put away to take care of them in
(E) workers are compelled to put away to take care of themselves in <- Correct

IMO " a worker " can refer to a particular worker...

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