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by codesnooker » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:32 am

I try to solve it. But second time also get incorrect choice.

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by loki.gmat » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:49 pm

now the non-underlined portion of the sentence uses "had" (past perfect tense). hence here we r talking abt two "past" events wherein one follows the other.

All the answer options except B donot satisfy the above mentioned scenario.

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by kiranlegend » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:47 am

why C is incorrect? pls explain.

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by codesnooker » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:21 am

loki.gmat wrote:now the non-underlined portion of the sentence uses "had" (past perfect tense). hence here we r talking abt two "past" events wherein one follows the other.

All the answer options except B donot satisfy the above mentioned scenario.

Thanks!

Loki! Don't copy. :twisted:

Answer is (E). The box that I made is as per my understanding (because I am trying to figure out the logic to solve such questions). but it is WRONG!!!

Any suggestions why (E) is correct???

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by Vignesh.4384 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:48 am

Hi Codesnooker,

The reason why E is correct is because of the modifier.

I wil try to give a simpler eg :

Sentence 1 : Since there were many carrot, lots of them were eaten by the rabbit.

Sentence 2: Since there were many carrots, the rabbit had a lot to eat.

Which one would u prefer ??

I think the problem with sentence 1 is the modifier
and if u note closely sentence 1 become passive .

This is the exact same case with option B.
And about the Have in option E . I think it is correct since it is preceeded by scientists (plural ).
Please correct me if i wrong.

Regards,
Vignesh.

PS : I chose B too > Thank god u posted the answer .. otherwise u would have had one more copy cat

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by nitin86 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:07 pm

Vignesh.4384 wrote:Hi Codesnooker,

The reason why E is correct is because of the modifier.

I wil try to give a simpler eg :

Sentence 1 : Since there were many carrot, lots of them were eaten by the rabbit.

Sentence 2: Since there were many carrots, the rabbit had a lot to eat.

Which one would u prefer ??

I think the problem with sentence 1 is the modifier
and if u note closely sentence 1 become passive .

This is the exact same case with option B.
And about the Have in option E . I think it is correct since it is preceeded by scientists (plural ).
Please correct me if i wrong.

Regards,
Vignesh.

PS : I chose B too > Thank god u posted the answer .. otherwise u would have had one more copy cat

@vignesh

I don't think problem with A is modifier.

I had choosen E because

A - is not parallel. ( to examine.....and determing....)

B - modifier problem as mentioned by vignesh (Through the application .......is incorrectly modifying "the morals"..instead of "scientists")

C - Incorrect usage of "When". (When -> used to refer to time...)

D - Same problem as with B

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by yogesh_kkk » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:43 am

codesnooker wrote:
loki.gmat wrote:now the non-underlined portion of the sentence uses "had" (past perfect tense). hence here we r talking abt two "past" events wherein one follows the other.

All the answer options except B donot satisfy the above mentioned scenario.

Thanks!
Loki! Don't copy. :twisted:

Answer is (E). The box that I made is as per my understanding (because I am trying to figure out the logic to solve such questions). but it is WRONG!!!

Any suggestions why (E) is correct???

Hi codesnooker,
The mistake which u did as i can see is that
have examined (persent perfect tense) ....determined (past tense)
This is prefect sturcture of present perfect tense
We do no need to repeat "have" again and again

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by loki.gmat » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:25 am

lololol.
hey codesnooker - was just trying to act smart by using ur hard work (analysis) but it misfired

nyways i have a question - assuming E is the answer then "their" is representing what - "scientists or ancestors"?

Thanks!

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by codesnooker » Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:29 am

yogesh_kkk wrote:
codesnooker wrote:
loki.gmat wrote:now the non-underlined portion of the sentence uses "had" (past perfect tense). hence here we r talking abt two "past" events wherein one follows the other.

All the answer options except B donot satisfy the above mentioned scenario.

Thanks!
Loki! Don't copy. :twisted:

Answer is (E). The box that I made is as per my understanding (because I am trying to figure out the logic to solve such questions). but it is WRONG!!!

Any suggestions why (E) is correct???
Hi codesnooker,
The mistake which u did as i can see is that
have examined (persent perfect tense) ....determined (past tense)
This is prefect sturcture of present perfect tense
We do no need to repeat "have" again and again

May be...

But How could I know whether the sentence is going from past to past perfect or from present prefect to past prefect? This is not a passage, so I am not getting the logic how to figure out this.

Anyway, what's wrong with (B). It is lengthy and in passive form, that should not be enough reason to eliminate the choice.

Any comments?

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by codesnooker » Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:34 am

loki.gmat wrote:lololol.
hey codesnooker - was just trying to act smart by using ur hard work (analysis) but it misfired

nyways i have a question - assuming E is the answer then "their" is representing what - "scientists or ancestors"?

Thanks!

Dude misfiring on forums = Ok, misfiring on practice test = OK but don't misfire in real GMAT.

Anyway you have time to prepare. Mine is just in next week. So keeping finger crossed.

Regarding your question about "their", check the all the choices once again. Both "scientists or ancestors" and "their" are mentioned in all the sentences. So, this could never is reason of elemination in any case. So you need not to worry about it.

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by sudhir3127 » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:42 am

but dont u guys think that ...option B is in the passive voice?

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Re: Modifier Problem

by manju_ej » Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:44 am

codesnooker wrote:I try to solve it. But second time also get incorrect choice.

I could narrow my options to B/E.

But I prefer E as B is in the passive voice.

The answer is E, the modifier is correctly touching the noun scientists, which is not the case in other options.

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