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by kvcpk » Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:51 am
paes wrote:Read my post above. I am not convinced with the OA-D.
C looks better to me, at leas no grammar mistake.
I am sure that you are looking at the sentence in a different meaning.
Thats fine.. let us see at why C is Right/Wrong.

First, Can you tell me why comma is needed after elderly patients?
Second, Soldiers and soldiers who broke their legs arrived at the camp.
Is this sentence not looking awkward?

Third, It is important to replicate the intended meaning of the sentence. The main sentence is not even close in meaning to what you are mentioning.

I do not understand why You think D is grammatically incorrect.
paes wrote:Elderly patients, many of them(whom) take expensive brand-name medications daily, could reduce their medical costs by switching to generic drugs and making lifestyle changes.

from the meaning, the sentence should be -> elders (who take expansive drugs c) .could reduce .....
elders (who take expansive drugs c) .could reduce is wrong.
Let the elders be E1,E2,E3,E4...
Of these E2,E3 take expensive medicines.
You are saying that the sentence is speaking only about E2 and E3

But infact the sentence is trying to speak about all E1,E2,E3....
It is just giving additional information that many of E1,E2,E3... take expensive medicines.

it is not redundant. Meaning is different.

Typed a lot :) Hope this helps!!
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by neha.patni » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:18 am
pradeepkaushal9518 wrote:paes i dont no why whom doest not look correct to me so i have choosen " many of them who" and u are saying " and many of them who".

why u have choosen C not B ( or why and is required here)
It can't b C as it changes the meaning of the sentence as elderly patients and others who take expensive drugs. However in the original set we are talking about only elderly patients.

It has to be D as the sentence aims to consider the people among elderly patients.
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by paes » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:48 am
pradeepkaushal9518 wrote:paes i dont no why whom doest not look correct to me so i have choosen " many of them who" and u are saying " and many of them who".

why u have choosen C not B ( or why and is required here)
Actually I am not seeing any gramatical mistake with B.

Only thing, B was looking wordy to me. So I discarded B.

B seems to indicate only one group of people -> elderly patients
So in B instead of writing, 'elderly patients, many of them who', I can write simply 'elderly patients who',


For C:
I selected because here we are addressing 2 different groups
1. elderly people AND
2. many of them who take costly medicines

So I selectd C.

Anyway, I am not an expert. Somebody from MgMat should reply.
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by paes » Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:01 am
kvcpk wrote:
paes wrote:Read my post above. I am not convinced with the OA-D.
C looks better to me, at leas no grammar mistake.
I am sure that you are looking at the sentence in a different meaning.
Thats fine.. let us see at why C is Right/Wrong.

First, Can you tell me why comma is needed after elderly patients?
Second, Soldiers and soldiers who broke their legs arrived at the camp.
Is this sentence not looking awkward?

Third, It is important to replicate the intended meaning of the sentence. The main sentence is not even close in meaning to what you are mentioning.

I do not understand why You think D is grammatically incorrect.
paes wrote:Elderly patients, many of them(whom) take expensive brand-name medications daily, could reduce their medical costs by switching to generic drugs and making lifestyle changes.

from the meaning, the sentence should be -> elders (who take expansive drugs c) .could reduce .....
elders (who take expansive drugs c) .could reduce is wrong.
Let the elders be E1,E2,E3,E4...
Of these E2,E3 take expensive medicines.
You are saying that the sentence is speaking only about E2 and E3

But infact the sentence is trying to speak about all E1,E2,E3....
It is just giving additional information that many of E1,E2,E3... take expensive medicines.

it is not redundant. Meaning is different.

Typed a lot :) Hope this helps!!

I think you are write.
It was the meaning of the sentence which was confusing me.
As you wrote, 'many of whom' is just an additional info.
So D is fine.
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by kvcpk » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:16 am
paes wrote: I think you are write.
It was the meaning of the sentence which was confusing me.
As you wrote, 'many of whom' is just an additional info.
So D is fine.
I feel lot better now :D
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by adi_800 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:53 pm
pradeepkaushal9518 wrote:adi 800 whatever it may be mangattan is for Gmat and og is bible for Gmat so its good that it is clearing the concept of question in the bible( og). i think u should reply the question rather criticizing Manhattan's strategy. do u know kaplan takeover manhattan now u will face kaplan questions in manhattan tests
Point taken buddy!!
:)
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by adi_800 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:14 pm
When you want to identify/describe/mention a part of a large group to which that part belongs to, you use below constructions.
1. many of whom <Verb required>
2. many of them <Verb not required>
3. many <Verb not required>

Notice that the verb is required only in first construction, because we are about to start a dependent clause with a relative pronoun whom, and that the verb is not required in other two constructions as we are introducing only a modifier.

When you want to refer to people, you can use who or whom but can not use which. So, that takes out E.
We require objective pronoun case and not subjective case following the preposition of, because the people are OBJECT of preposition of. So, whom should be used. So, that takes out A.

C changes the meaning of the sentence. C says that those who take expensive brand-name medications daily are not a part of the first group, which is elderly patients. So, that takes out C.

B is redundant, awkward, and grammatical.
It is redundant because the people of whom you wanna talk about have already been identified by the part many of them. So using who again to refer to same those people is wrong. This construction is same as below sentence.
Out of 100 bridges in the city, one that connects the city to the exterior part of the city is newly built.
Over here, the word one has already identified that bridge. So, we do not require that to identify the same bridge.

HTH!!
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by xyh133 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:40 pm
D is the best one.
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