Kaplan Verbal WB

mundasingh123 wrote:
Miserable explanation once again from kaplan .
This SC is from Kaplan Verbal Workbook .
Replies such as IMO A/B/C/D/E only will be of no help ;Therefore, Kindly come for ward with valid explanations .

IMO C

gmat25 wrote:

mundasingh123 wrote:
Miserable explanation once again from kaplan .
This SC is from Kaplan Verbal Workbook .
Replies such as IMO A/B/C/D/E only will be of no help ;Therefore, Kindly come for ward with valid explanations .

IMO C

Thanks so much for the reply . I hope not all BTG Members are this mean.This was absolute justice to the effort that someone puts into taking a snapshot and writing a post that is 5 lines big and then someone replies Deliberately with 4 letters
IMO U

C
X(chapter of physiology) is contained in Y (Moby-Dick).

Correct me if I am wrong.

I would say the most interesting aspect of this one is that all the answers are grammatically correct, but use more words than they need to. The GMAT hates extra words.

Also, I doubt gmat25 was being mean -- probably just didn't read your post as carefully. Either that or it was a joke.

mundasingh123 wrote:
Miserable explanation once again from kaplan .
This SC is from Kaplan Verbal Workbook .
Replies such as IMO A/B/C/D/E only will be of no help ;Therefore, Kindly come for ward with valid explanations .

In such questions, i rather apply my ear than applying pure grammer rules. As after applying pure grammer rules the only thing i was able to understand here is that "contained in....." this part is a modifier and what should be contained in the MASTERWORK is that FAMOUS CHAPTER. Now, Op A and Op B are wordy...why?? because first of all look at the pronoun IT...do you really need this pronoun in the modifier???? Without the use of IT the modifier is fine and modifying CHAPTER so why should i use IT hence i dropped Op A and Op B. Op D and Op E, "found contained" is clearly awkward and nonsensical. if u are saying that something is contained in something than obviously u don't need found, somewhere the meaning of FOUND is already inherited in the sentence, hence we don't need found. Hence C is the best answer.

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I usually answer the questions with proper explanations, but in questions like this where you can answer by applying your ear and a bit of common sense, i answer the Op only and weight if m correct, and then i share my view. As u didn't posted the OA, if u had posted the OA, i would have answered the question with explanation. Second, Jim is right, i didn't read your full post carefully.

ColumbiaVC wrote:C
X(chapter of physiology) is contained in Y (Moby-Dick).

Correct me if I am wrong.

I don't think u can apply this knowledge here, as u can see, contained in a part of modifier while X is a part of the clause. second, there is no verb IS b/w X and contained if u notice.

Thanks

Jim@Grockit wrote:I would say the most interesting aspect of this one is that all the answers are grammatically correct, but use more words than they need to. The GMAT hates extra words.

Also, I doubt gmat25 was being mean -- probably just didn't read your post as carefully. Either that or it was a joke.

Jim , its very difficult to make out about someone's true intentions on an online Forum . I could have been wrong . Thanks for pointing this out.

Jim@Grockit wrote:I would say the most interesting aspect of this one is that all the answers are grammatically correct, but use more words than they need to. The GMAT hates extra words.

Also, I doubt gmat25 was being mean -- probably just didn't read your post as carefully. Either that or it was a joke.

Hi Jim isnt found contained present in D and E a dangling modifier because the agent who found the chapter isnt there in the sentence

@Jim,

I have the following questions regarding use of FOUND before CONTAINED In...

Q1:-- what role these both words are playing in terms of parts of speech??? I believe that "found" is an adjective here and "contained" not so sure but an Adverb???

Q2:-- M a non-native speaker so probably m incorrect here as i found "FOUND CONTAINED In" a bit awkward, do we use these words (in combination) in standard written English.

Q3:-- Can u please give 2-3 examples where FOUND CONTAINED IN is correctly used and necessary to reflect the proper meaning of the sentence so that i will update my knowledge.

Thanks in advance.

mundasingh123 wrote:

Jim@Grockit wrote:I would say the most interesting aspect of this one is that all the answers are grammatically correct, but use more words than they need to. The GMAT hates extra words.

Also, I doubt gmat25 was being mean -- probably just didn't read your post as carefully. Either that or it was a joke.

Hi Jim isnt found contained present in D and E a dangling modifier because the agent who found the chapter isnt there in the sentence

I never said that Op'ns D and E are wrong because the agent is missing. Well, i believe that FOUND is unnecessary...the meaning is clear without FOUND..

gmat25 wrote:

mundasingh123 wrote:

Jim@Grockit wrote:I would say the most interesting aspect of this one is that all the answers are grammatically correct, but use more words than they need to. The GMAT hates extra words.

Also, I doubt gmat25 was being mean -- probably just didn't read your post as carefully. Either that or it was a joke.

Hi Jim isnt found contained present in D and E a dangling modifier because the agent who found the chapter isnt there in the sentence

I never said that Op'ns D and E are wrong because the agent is missing. Well, i believe that FOUND is unnecessary...the meaning is clear without FOUND..

Dangling modifiers could be a reason too.

Guys,

I have selected C, though I found ABC to be appropriate. I eliminate A and B due to wordiness.

Coming to D and E, I was thinking on the same lines as that of gmat25. Can someone please help me with reasons to eliminate D and E as I am confused by Jim's post.

Jim, Could you please help us evaluate D and E in a more appropriate manner than how we have done?

mundasingh123 wrote:

gmat25 wrote:

mundasingh123 wrote:

Jim@Grockit wrote:I would say the most interesting aspect of this one is that all the answers are grammatically correct, but use more words than they need to. The GMAT hates extra words.

Also, I doubt gmat25 was being mean -- probably just didn't read your post as carefully. Either that or it was a joke.

Hi Jim isnt found contained present in D and E a dangling modifier because the agent who found the chapter isnt there in the sentence

I never said that Op'ns D and E are wrong because the agent is missing. Well, i believe that FOUND is unnecessary...the meaning is clear without FOUND..

Dangling modifiers could be a reason too.

I don't think you are correct here regarding Dangling modifier issue. See, i explain my point of view. Here as u see, "found...." is acting as a adjective modifying NOUN in the preceding clause.

Now i present two cases, one when found will be used as VERB instead of ADJECTIVE and second the same as in the question. In both the cases the subject will be CHAPTER. If u are in hurry leave CASE 1 and scroll down to case 2.

CASE 1:-- FOUND ( as VERB)

If i say, "chapter on particle physics found in Einstein's notes " ---> this will be wrong. Here active voice construction is wrong. You can say

"Ravi found the chapter on particle physics in Einstein's notes" ---> active voice okay

OR

"chapter on particle physics was found in Einstein's notes " ----> passive voice


so the point is,

something WAS FOUND in something ---> passive voice is needed not active voice.

CASE 2:

When "FOUND" is acting as an ADJECTIVE

consider this example (made up)

Example 1:

The chapter on particle physics, found in Einstein's notes, is based on bla bla bla...

What do u think about above example...isn't it correct??? Well i think it is correct and its the same as Op D in the given question. Hence i think DANGLING MODIFIER is not an issue here. Now i explain why i drop Op D again. I'm re-writing the above example again with a little change.

Example 2:

The chapter on particle physics, contained in Einstein's notes, is based on bla bla bla...

Now, i believe both examples 1 and 2 possess same meaning. In short, i believe "found contained in" causes redundancy.

YOUR CALL?????

Example 1 differs in meaning from Example 2.
Example 1 says :the notes were found
Example 2 says the notes are contained .