"ing" Modifier Three Different Versions in OG????

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by bupbebeo » Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:09 pm
For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped
dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in
a rectangle.
A. each a roof of poles and arrowweed
B. each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
C. with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
D. with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
E. with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are

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The correct answer is A

However, as Stacy says that v-ed modifies the preceding noun. So, in the correct answer"supported" supposed to modify arrowweed. But the meaning of the sentence shows that "supported" should modify roofs. How A can be correct or what wrong with my thought. Hope that help.

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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:11 pm
This is what I said: "An "-ed" modifier is a noun modifier, not an adverbial modifier, and should modify the closest primary noun preceding it (in the "comma -ed" setup). "

(New underline added.) What's the primary noun prior to the "comma -ed" setup in your example? (The "of" prepositional phrase is just describing the primary noun, roof! It's okay to have these short, basic descriptors between the primary noun and the noun modifier.
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by GMATMadeEasy » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:10 pm
An "-ed" modifier is a noun modifier, not an adverbial modifier, and should modify the closest primary noun preceding it
Stacey , I have a question not exactly related to above post though. I agree ed modified when essential , it is an adjective modifier.

But when it is a non-essential modifier, it functions same as adjective modifier ? My understanding is YES from readon on the forum. But the book "Doing grammar" refers to it as an adverial modifier .The book bezing a standard grammar book, I am lost what to follow.

Example from the book :
Three senators reversed their vote on the controversial tax bill,prodded by public opnion .
Prodded by public opnion , Three senators reversed their vote on the controversial tax bill.
Three senators ,prodded by public opnion ,reversed their vote on the controversial tax bill.

Nonrestrictive past participle phrases often show cause or reason , as in the example above. The past participle phrase functions as an adverb of reason,an additional comment and a reason.We often place past particple phrase before main clause ,since we generally state causes before effects.

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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:47 pm
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by lunarpower » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:19 am
But when it is a non-essential modifier, it functions same as adjective modifier ? My understanding is YES from readon on the forum. But the book "Doing grammar" refers to it as an adverial modifier .The book bezing a standard grammar book, I am lost what to follow.

Example from the book :
Three senators reversed their vote on the controversial tax bill,prodded by public opnion .
Prodded by public opnion , Three senators reversed their vote on the controversial tax bill.
Three senators ,prodded by public opnion ,reversed their vote on the controversial tax bill.
my understanding is that the first of these is incorrect, and that the latter two are correct.
i don't think i've ever seen one of these (past participial modifier set off by commas) as an adverbial modifier.

in this case, if i wanted to modify the whole clause, i'd use an abstract appositive:
Three senators reversed their vote on the controversial tax bill, an action that was prodded by public opinion

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by the way, if you expect all "standard grammar books" to agree on every single point of english grammar, oh boy are you in for a surprise.
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by GMATMadeEasy » Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:52 am
Thanks Ron. Point noted and will be followed :) .

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by Target2009 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:17 pm
OG10-31 Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, there is a disinclination on the part of many people to recognize the degree to which their analytical skills are weak.
(A) Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, there is a disinclination on the part of many people to recognize the degree to which their analytical skills are weak.
(B) Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, which they admit they lack, many people are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak.
(C) Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, analytical skills bring out a disinclination in many people to recognize that they are weak to a degree.
(D) Many people, willing to admit that they lack computer skills or other technical skills, are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak.
(E) Many people have a disinclination to recognize the weakness of their analytical skills while willing to admit their lack of computer skills or other technical skills.

Why (D) is correct. As i understood here , ing- modifier usually modify Clause and here it is modifying Many people a noun.

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by lunarpower » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:34 pm
Target2009 wrote:OG10-31 Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, there is a disinclination on the part of many people to recognize the degree to which their analytical skills are weak.
(A) Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, there is a disinclination on the part of many people to recognize the degree to which their analytical skills are weak.
(B) Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, which they admit they lack, many people are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak.
(C) Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, analytical skills bring out a disinclination in many people to recognize that they are weak to a degree.
(D) Many people, willing to admit that they lack computer skills or other technical skills, are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak.
(E) Many people have a disinclination to recognize the weakness of their analytical skills while willing to admit their lack of computer skills or other technical skills.

Why (D) is correct. As i understood here , ing- modifier usually modify Clause and here it is modifying Many people a noun.
it's true that COMMA -ING modifies the preceding clause, when there's actually a preceding clause.
in those cases in which it just follows a noun (which is usually the subject of the sentence), and doesn't follow a whole clause, it just modifies that noun.
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by nafiul9090 » Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:41 am
abhasjha wrote:Hi vineet ,

Let me clear your doubt .

The -ing form is used for DOING the action, which means SUBJECT, which means ACTIVE voice.

The -ed form is used for RECEIVING the action, which means OBJECT, which means PASSIVE voice.

Before I go further, let me offer two examples that will make things clearer as we go along:
� speaking person (the -ing form)
� spoken words (the -ed form)


Language variations originate from various ethnic and cultural heritages' ----> So 'originate' modifies the subject 'language variations'. So '-ing form' originating
'Geographic isolations perpetuate language variations' ---> So 'perpetuate' modifies the object 'language variations'. So '-ed form' perpetuated


An idea of how active sentences are converted into passive would also give you and idea as to how we can determine an object :

Let me give you an example :

Congress funded the clean up (active form) .

When written into passive form

The clean up was funded by congress .

The subject of the active sentence - �the congress � follows by phrase ( by congress) in the passive sentence .

This is a hint enough that if the sentence were written in the active form then congress would be subject and clean up the object .


In the question that you posted :

Language variations Perpetuated by geographic isolation

When converted into active :

Geographical isolation perpetuates language variation ��


So language variation acts as an object here and therefore should be in �ed form . that is perpetuated .


So option D is the correct choice .


In case you wish to solve a similar problem , here it goes ��.



The growth of the railroads led to the abolition of local times, which was determined by when the sun reached the observer�s meridian and differing from city to city, and to the establishment of regional times.

(A) which was determined by when the sun reached the observer�s meridian and differing
(B) which was determined by when the sun reached the observer�s meridian and which differed
(C) which were determined by when the sun reached the observer�s meridian and differing
(D) determined by when the sun reached the observer�s meridian and differed
(E) determined by when the sun reached the observer�s meridian and differing


the answer is E
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another related SC from OG12, #42

Scientists have recently discovered what could be the
largest and oldest living organism on Earth, a giant
fungus that is an interwoven filigree of mushrooms and
rootlike tentacles spawned by a single fertilized spore
some 10,000 years ago and extending for more than
30 acres in the soil of a Michigan forest.
(A) extending
(B) extends
(C) extended
(D) it extended
(E) is extending

at first i didnt understand the explanation of OG. now its clear. here spawned modifies the object that is giant fungus and extending modifies the subject giant fungus.....isnt the case??


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by lunarpower » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:49 am
nafiul9090 wrote:at first i didnt understand the explanation of OG. now its clear. here spawned modifies the object that is giant fungus and extending modifies the subject giant fungus.....isnt the case??


regards nafi
yep -- there is parallelism between the two: "spawned ... and extending ..."
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by vishwjeet » Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:39 am
But spawned follows tentacles, so shouldn't it be modifying tentacles instead.

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by vishwjeet » Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:54 am
Here is another old question,

Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communication with a large, public audience.

(A) Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
(B) Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
(C) Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
(D) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
(E) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

the answer is C

Does "that ..." acts as a modifier? If yes than what are the rules followed? What is the portion marked in bold in C modifying? Can anyone help? I always thought that "that ..." is a restrictive clause and should immediately follow the object which it describes, so as per me conversation is being described as a substitute for the telephone in C.

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by lunarpower » Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:35 am
vishwjeet wrote:Here is another old question,

Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communication with a large, public audience.

(A) Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
(B) Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
(C) Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
(D) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
(E) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

the answer is C

Does "that ..." acts as a modifier? If yes than what are the rules followed? What is the portion marked in bold in C modifying? Can anyone help? I always thought that "that ..." is a restrictive clause and should immediately follow the object which it describes, so as per me conversation is being described as a substitute for the telephone in C.
well ... the rules aren't *that* specific/restrictive.
basically, if you have NOUN1 + (other stuff) + "that ...", then the modifier can still modify NOUN, as long as the context is clear.
also, if you have NOUN1 + (modifier that ends with NOUN2) + "that ...", then "that..." can modify either NOUN1 or NOUN2.
you need to use your understanding of the context, combined with a healthy dose of common sense, to figure out which one is the referent.

e.g.
Geologists have invented a new method of classifying rocks that are produced by volcanoes
--> correct; the underlined modifier modifies "rocks", as it is clear that rocks (and not a method) are produced by volcanoes.

Geologists have invented a new method of classifying rocks that is capable of classifying twice as many rocks as the previous system could
--> also correct; this time the underlying modifier modifies "method (of classifying rocks)".
see OG12 diagnostic test #50 for an example of this usage in a correct answer.

you can even have a verb in between:
A new method of classifying rocks has been devised that is capable of classifying twice as many rocks as the previous system could.
--> also correct.

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the reason why modifier rules aren't as strict as you think is that a large number of ideas would become absolutely impossible to express in writing if they were.
for instance, if something is a tool for private conversation and that thing can substitute for the telephone, then you have to write "a tool for private conversation that can substitute for the telephone".

basically, modifiers should be placed as close as possible to the words that they are intended to modify, but no rule will ever nullify the necessity of using common-sense interpretation.

this is actually why these modifiers are tested so frequently -- because they are NOT strictly mechanical. the writers of the verbal section generally have very little interest in testing things that are based on black-and-white, methodical rules.
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by mundasingh123 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:07 am
But Ron , The MGMAT SC guide specificallys not to assume away small wrinkles in meaning . This in contrast to what you said about seeing things in the light of context and common sense . I am confused .
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