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Gmat Prep Test 2

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by goyalsau » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:13 am
I come across this problem while i was giving Gmat prep Test 2 , I was not able to mark the correct answer, and my technique was also lengthy, I was trying to draw lines but end up drawing to many lines and its kind of a confusing, Please Guys, if you have any shortcut to solve a problem like this , please share.


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Source: — Data Sufficiency |

by clock60 » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:28 am
i saw this query earlier and still can`t understand for what purposes we need point (4.3)
l=y=a1*x+b1
k=y=a2*x+b2, where a1,a2 slopes of linesa l,k we need to estimate their product
(1)if y=0, x=-b1/a1, fro line l and x=-b2/a2 for linek
(-b1/a1)*(-b2/a2)=(b1/a1)*(b2/a2)>0 it is possible if
b1*b2>0 and a1*a2>0. or second case b1*b2<0 and a1*a2<0
we cant find for sure the sign of the product a1*a2
not suficient
(2)b1*b2<0 not suff as the slope is not mentioned
together
if b1*b2<0 then the only case is that a1*a2<0 for the fraction (b1/a1)*(b2/a2) to be +ve
so C seems reasonable answer
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by goyalsau » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:08 am
clock60 wrote:i saw this query earlier and still can`t understand for what purposes we need point (4.3)
l=y=a1*x+b1
k=y=a2*x+b2, where a1,a2 slopes of linesa l,k we need to estimate their product
(1)if y=0, x=-b1/a1, fro line l and x=-b2/a2 for linek
(-b1/a1)*(-b2/a2)=(b1/a1)*(b2/a2)>0 it is possible if
b1*b2>0 and a1*a2>0. or second case b1*b2<0 and a1*a2<0
we cant find for sure the sign of the product a1*a2
not suficient
(2)b1*b2<0 not suff as the slope is not mentioned
together
if b1*b2<0 then the only case is that a1*a2<0 for the fraction (b1/a1)*(b2/a2) to be +ve
so C seems reasonable answer
Great Work Buddy,
Thanks a lot,
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by Whitney Garner » Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:19 pm
goyalsau wrote:
clock60 wrote:i saw this query earlier and still can`t understand for what purposes we need point (4.3)
l=y=a1*x+b1
k=y=a2*x+b2, where a1,a2 slopes of linesa l,k we need to estimate their product
(1)if y=0, x=-b1/a1, fro line l and x=-b2/a2 for linek
(-b1/a1)*(-b2/a2)=(b1/a1)*(b2/a2)>0 it is possible if
b1*b2>0 and a1*a2>0. or second case b1*b2<0 and a1*a2<0
we cant find for sure the sign of the product a1*a2
not suficient
(2)b1*b2<0 not suff as the slope is not mentioned
together
if b1*b2<0 then the only case is that a1*a2<0 for the fraction (b1/a1)*(b2/a2) to be +ve
so C seems reasonable answer
Great Work Buddy,
Thanks a lot,
Nice work on the math, but I wanted to comment quickly on using the point and "drawing lines". If we quickly sketch the point (4,3), we should only have to draw a few quick graphs (because this is testing Yes/No).

Statement (1): If the product of the x-intercepts is positive, then we need both to be positive or both negative. Now, testing Yes/No means to actively look for a sketch that would answer Yes and would answer No. If I make them both negative, then to both cross at (4,3) they would both have to have positive slope = product of the slopes >0. But if I make them both negative, I can make them cross with one positive and one negative slope = product of the slopes <0. I can answer the original question either Yes or No. INSUFFICIENT

Statement (2): If the product of the y-intercepts is negative, then one must be positive while the other is negative. Again, I need to try to show that I can answer both Yes and No (because if I cannot, then it is Sufficient). If I have one line cross the y-axis at a point higher than (4,3) and the other cross the y-axis at any negative point I find that the slopes have opposite signs = product of the slopes <0. But if I have one line cross the y-axis at a point between 0 and 3 (positive but below the point (4,3)), I see that they are both positively sloped = product of the slopes >0. I can answer the original question either Yes or No. INSUFFICIENT

Statement (1+2) So we need one line to cross the Y above 0, and the other to cross below 0. BUT, we also need both lines to have the same sign on their x-intercepts. If I attempt to draw this I will quickly see that there is no way to draw 2 lines that intersect at (4,3) that have opposite signs on their y-intercepts AND that have negative x-intercepts. Therefore, both must have positive x-intercepts. But if the have positive x-intercepts, the only way I can have them cross at (4,3) is if the line with the positive y-intercept crosses the y-axis above the point and the line with the negative y-axis crosses anywhere below 0. This means that the two lines MUST have slopes with opposite signs = product <0. SUFFICIENT

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by goyalsau » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:12 pm
Whitney Garner wrote:
Nice work on the math, but I wanted to comment quickly on using the point and "drawing lines". If we quickly sketch the point (4,3), we should only have to draw a few quick graphs (because this is testing Yes/No/
Even I approached this problem the same way, When i attempted this question in the Mock Test, But i was not able to do that with ease, Its glad that you replied, and I hope, that now my problem will be solved. soon. :|

Whitney Garner wrote: Statement (1): If the product of the x-intercepts is positive, then we need both to be positive or both negative. Now, testing Yes/No means to actively look for a sketch that would answer Yes and would answer No. If I make them both negative, then to both cross at (4,3) they would both have to have positive slope = product of the slopes >0.
Till here its all clear, I know when slope is negative Line goes from IInd to IV Quadrant, When Slope is positive Its IIIrd to Ist Quadrant

As you have already considered the negative X it must be positive X
How to draw lines with negative & positive slope so that there x intercept is always positive.
Whitney Garner wrote: But if I make them both negative { It should be Positive }, I can make them cross with one positive and one negative slope = product of the slopes <0. I can answer the original question either Yes or No. INSUFFICIENT
Whitney Garner wrote: Statement (2): If the product of the y-intercepts is negative, then one must be positive while the other is negative. Again, I need to try to show that I can answer both Yes and No (because if I cannot, then it is Sufficient). If I have one line cross the y-axis at a point higher than (4,3) and the other cross the y-axis at any negative point I find that the slopes have opposite signs = product of the slopes <0. But if I have one line cross the y-axis at a point between 0 and 3 (positive but below the point (4,3)), I see that they are both positively sloped = product of the slopes >0. I can answer the original question either Yes or No. INSUFFICIENT

Statement (1+2) So we need one line to cross the Y above 0, and the other to cross below 0. BUT, we also need both lines to have the same sign on their x-intercepts. If I attempt to draw this I will quickly see that there is no way to draw 2 lines that intersect at (4,3) that have opposite signs on their y-intercepts AND that have negative x-intercepts. Therefore, both must have positive x-intercepts. But if the have positive x-intercepts, the only way I can have them cross at (4,3) is if the line with the positive y-intercept crosses the y-axis above the point and the line with the negative y-axis crosses anywhere below 0. This means that the two lines MUST have slopes with opposite signs = product <0. SUFFICIENT

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