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Finnish archaeologist Arthur, eager to find a urban - SC

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by [email protected] » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:46 am
Finnish archaeologist Arthur, eager to find a urban dwelling worthy of Bagdodis, explored in scorching Middle East desert and uncovered a civilization fourteen centuries [u]older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants.[/u]
A. older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
B. more ancient than the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
C. older than was the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
D. more ancient of a city than Mesopotamian inhabitants knew
E. older as was the city Mesopotamian inhabitants knew

Is the Answer for this C or B?
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by theCodeToGMAT » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:52 am
I would go with "B".. What is the OA?
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by vinay1983 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:29 am
[email protected] wrote:Finnish archaeologist Arthur, eager to find a urban dwelling worthy of Bagdodis, explored in scorching Middle East desert and uncovered a civilization fourteen centuries older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
A. older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
B. more ancient than the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
C. older than was the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
D. more ancient of a city than Mesopotamian inhabitants knew
E. older as was the city Mesopotamian inhabitants knew

Is the Answer for this C or B?
A. older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants Wrong usage. It has to be older than or more ancient...than
B. more ancient than the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants Correct usage of more ancient than
C. older than was the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants(Everything is correct except the usage of was
D. more ancient of a city than Mesopotamian inhabitants knew More ancient of and older of are wrong usages
E. older as was the city Mesopotamian inhabitants knew Wrong construction, does not make sense


Among the given options B looks good. But i have a issue with the option. Civilization is compared directly to a city!Unusual!
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by Mike@Magoosh » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:36 pm
[email protected] wrote:Finnish archaeologist Arthur, eager to find a urban dwelling worthy of Bagdodis, explored in scorching Middle East desert and uncovered a civilization fourteen centuries older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants.
A. older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
B. more ancient than the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
C. older than was the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
D. more ancient of a city than Mesopotamian inhabitants knew
E. older as was the city Mesopotamian inhabitants knew

Is the Answer for this C or B?
I'm happy to add my two cents. :-)

With all due respect, I disagree with vinay1983 about (C) --- technically, "than" can work as either a preposition (in which case, it followed by only a noun) or as a subordinate conjunction (in which case it followed by a full [noun] + [verb} clause).

In fact, if the independent clause involves a direct object, then a comparison to the subject almost requires a verb following "than" to avoid ambiguity. For example:
I like Indian food more than Vinnie.
That's ambiguous --- am I comparing two people or two objects of my affection? The GMAT would find such ambiguity unacceptable. This has to be:
I like Indian food more than Vinnie does.
OR
I like Indian food more than does Vinnie.
Either is perfectly correct.

Therefore, the usage of "was" in (C) is perfectly correct ---- it's not required to resolve ambiguity, but it's grammatically correct.

What is the source of this question? I think it's a poor question, insofar as strong arguments can be made for both (B) and (C). A good SC question has one clearly correct answer, and something unambiguously and definitively incorrect with each of the other four choices. I think whoever wrote the question is trying to get us to choose an answer based on some technicality (is "more ancient" too wordy for them, and "older" a significant improvement?????) Beware: there are numerous free practice GMAT SC questions floating around on the web, and many of these questions are of low quality. If someone out there says a question is a practice GMAT question, don't naively assume it will adhere to the high standards that the GMAT itself keeps.

Does all this make sense?
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by vinay1983 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:01 pm
Mike@Magoosh wrote:
[email protected] wrote:Finnish archaeologist Arthur, eager to find a urban dwelling worthy of Bagdodis, explored in scorching Middle East desert and uncovered a civilization fourteen centuries older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants.
A. older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
B. more ancient than the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
C. older than was the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
D. more ancient of a city than Mesopotamian inhabitants knew
E. older as was the city Mesopotamian inhabitants knew

Is the Answer for this C or B?
I'm happy to add my two cents. :-)

With all due respect, I disagree with vinay1983 about (C) --- technically, "than" can work as either a preposition (in which case, it followed by only a noun) or as a subordinate conjunction (in which case it followed by a full [noun] + [verb} clause).

In fact, if the independent clause involves a direct object, then a comparison to the subject almost requires a verb following "than" to avoid ambiguity. For example:
I like Indian food more than Vinnie.
That's ambiguous --- am I comparing two people or two objects of my affection? The GMAT would find such ambiguity unacceptable. This has to be:
I like Indian food more than Vinnie does.
OR
I like Indian food more than does Vinnie.
Either is perfectly correct.

Therefore, the usage of "was" in (C) is perfectly correct ---- it's not required to resolve ambiguity, but it's grammatically correct.

What is the source of this question? I think it's a poor question, insofar as strong arguments can be made for both (B) and (C). A good SC question has one clearly correct answer, and something unambiguously and definitively incorrect with each of the other four choices. I think whoever wrote the question is trying to get us to choose an answer based on some technicality (is "more ancient" too wordy for them, and "older" a significant improvement?????) Beware: there are numerous free practice GMAT SC questions floating around on the web, and many of these questions are of low quality. If someone out there says a question is a practice GMAT question, don't naively assume it will adhere to the high standards that the GMAT itself keeps.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)
Mike,

Sorry, I should have said unheard rather than incorrect w.r.t the usage of was. My point is somehow the sentence after "than was the city known to" sounds incomplete to me. I have not come across such construction till date. It might be correct. But given a choice, I would go with B. My point is, how can one select an answer when one has a doubt about it?one can't!What does "was" do in option C?As far as i know, languages as such don't waste words, inherently every word has some importance(if it is used). I am not a pro at such things, but the point is I have not come across such usage.

But, maybe you are right and I agree with you on this, GMAT sentences are not controversial most of the times.

Thank you for disagreeing Mike! :)
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by rakeshd347 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:42 am
[email protected] wrote:Finnish archaeologist Arthur, eager to find a urban dwelling worthy of Bagdodis, explored in scorching Middle East desert and uncovered a civilization fourteen centuries older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants.
A. older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
B. more ancient than the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
C. older than was the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
D. more ancient of a city than Mesopotamian inhabitants knew
E. older as was the city Mesopotamian inhabitants knew

Is the Answer for this C or B?
Between B and C. C is the clear winner. Just try to understand the meaning of the sentence... It says that Arthur explored something and uncovered something...now that ancient civilisation can be older than but not more than....how can civilisation be more than the city....
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by rakeshd347 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:43 am
[email protected] wrote:Finnish archaeologist Arthur, eager to find a urban dwelling worthy of Bagdodis, explored in scorching Middle East desert and uncovered a civilization fourteen centuries older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants.
A. older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
B. more ancient than the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
C. older than was the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
D. more ancient of a city than Mesopotamian inhabitants knew
E. older as was the city Mesopotamian inhabitants knew

Is the Answer for this C or B?
Between B and C. C is the clear winner. Just try to understand the meaning of the sentence... It says that Arthur explored something and uncovered something...now that ancient civilisation can be older than but not more than....how can civilisation be more than the city....
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by theCodeToGMAT » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:14 am
rakeshd347 wrote:
[email protected] wrote:Finnish archaeologist Arthur, eager to find a urban dwelling worthy of Bagdodis, explored in scorching Middle East desert and uncovered a civilization fourteen centuries older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants.
A. older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
B. more ancient than the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
C. older than was the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
D. more ancient of a city than Mesopotamian inhabitants knew
E. older as was the city Mesopotamian inhabitants knew

Is the Answer for this C or B?
Between B and C. C is the clear winner. Just try to understand the meaning of the sentence... It says that Arthur explored something and uncovered something...now that ancient civilisation can be older than but not more than....how can civilisation be more than the city....
No, the meanings are fine..

For example:

I explored in Hot Indian Summer and found a hotel 10 years older than was Taj.

I explored in Hot Indian Summer and found a hotel 10 years more ancient than Taj.

Which one is your pick?
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by rakeshd347 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:59 am
theCodeToGMAT wrote:
rakeshd347 wrote:
[email protected] wrote:Finnish archaeologist Arthur, eager to find a urban dwelling worthy of Bagdodis, explored in scorching Middle East desert and uncovered a civilization fourteen centuries older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants.
A. older of a city than was the one known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
B. more ancient than the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
C. older than was the city known to Mesopotamian inhabitants
D. more ancient of a city than Mesopotamian inhabitants knew
E. older as was the city Mesopotamian inhabitants knew

Is the Answer for this C or B?
Between B and C. C is the clear winner. Just try to understand the meaning of the sentence... It says that Arthur explored something and uncovered something...now that ancient civilisation can be older than but not more than....how can civilisation be more than the city....
No, the meanings are fine..

For example:

I explored in Hot Indian Summer and found a hotel 10 years older than was Taj.

I explored in Hot Indian Summer and found a hotel 10 years more ancient than Taj.

Which one is your pick?
I would pick the first one.
Given both the option first one is better. Well The comparison here is between the age and OLDER suits better. If it were a quantity, then it would be more than...
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