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by sumitkhurana » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:30 am
Astrologers saw the comet as a portent of the DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.

A. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.
B. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which happened as expected.
C. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which was expected.
D. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which was expected.
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Re: Destruction of Jerusalem

by logitech » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:40 pm
which needs to be close to destruction rather than Jerusalem.

And since you only posted 4 choices, we are down to B and D

I would go with B since in B distruction itself is expected but in D the happening of destruction is expected. Do I make any sense here ? :)

B. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which happened as expected.

D. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which was expected.
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by sumitkhurana » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:54 pm
OA is A.

Explaination - which correctly describes "Destruction of Jerusalem".

Shouldn't "which" modify "Jerusalem" only.
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by logitech » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:10 pm
sumitkhurana wrote:OA is A.

Explaination - which correctly describes "Destruction of Jerusalem".

Shouldn't "which" modify "Jerusalem" only.
Sumit,

It is not the BEST SC question I have ever seen but it has an interesting point

Destruction of Jerusalem VS Jerusalem's Destruction , which

Let's find out!
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by ronniecoleman » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:56 am
logitech wrote:
sumitkhurana wrote:OA is A.

Explaination - which correctly describes "Destruction of Jerusalem".

Shouldn't "which" modify "Jerusalem" only.
Sumit,

It is not the BEST SC question I have ever seen but it has an interesting point

Destruction of Jerusalem VS Jerusalem's Destruction , which

Let's find out!
Logitech..

totally agree this is not well written SC

but i have generally seen that x of y , is a better idiom then y 's x on GMATLAND...

correct me if i am wromg
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by logitech » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:02 am
ronniecoleman wrote:
logitech wrote:
sumitkhurana wrote:OA is A.

Explaination - which correctly describes "Destruction of Jerusalem".

Shouldn't "which" modify "Jerusalem" only.
Sumit,

It is not the BEST SC question I have ever seen but it has an interesting point

Destruction of Jerusalem VS Jerusalem's Destruction , which

Let's find out!
Logitech..

totally agree this is not well written SC

but i have generally seen that x of y , is a better idiom then y 's x on GMATLAND...

correct me if i am wromg
I would not say BETTER because I don't know why y's x is WORSE than x of y , but you are right the latter form is used more often. But do you think that which refers to X and Y in the following examples:

X of Y, which

Y's X, which

???
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by ronniecoleman » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:07 am
logitech wrote:
ronniecoleman wrote:
logitech wrote:
sumitkhurana wrote:OA is A.

Explaination - which correctly describes "Destruction of Jerusalem".

Shouldn't "which" modify "Jerusalem" only.
Sumit,

It is not the BEST SC question I have ever seen but it has an interesting point

Destruction of Jerusalem VS Jerusalem's Destruction , which

Let's find out!
Logitech..

totally agree this is not well written SC

but i have generally seen that x of y , is a better idiom then y 's x on GMATLAND...

correct me if i am wromg
I would not say BETTER because I don't know why y's x is WORSE than x of y , but you are right the latter form is used more often. But do you think that which refers to X and Y in the following examples:

X of Y, which

Y's X, which

???

searching thru forums , i could only deduce that the WHICH rule is not something that should be hardwired..

i have seen many instances where.. which does not refer to the immediate noun but a far off one..

even RON has in one of his posts mentioned.. not to religiously follow this rule...

he gave an example,

the picture on the wall, which is good is mine..

which here is not refering to wall but picture....

which totally freaked me out@@

so i go by the question
i guess destruction of x, which will refer to destruction !
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by logitech » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:37 am
ronniecoleman wrote:
logitech wrote:
ronniecoleman wrote:
logitech wrote:
sumitkhurana wrote:OA is A.

Explaination - which correctly describes "Destruction of Jerusalem".

Shouldn't "which" modify "Jerusalem" only.
Sumit,

It is not the BEST SC question I have ever seen but it has an interesting point

Destruction of Jerusalem VS Jerusalem's Destruction , which

Let's find out!
Logitech..

totally agree this is not well written SC

but i have generally seen that x of y , is a better idiom then y 's x on GMATLAND...

correct me if i am wromg
I would not say BETTER because I don't know why y's x is WORSE than x of y , but you are right the latter form is used more often. But do you think that which refers to X and Y in the following examples:

X of Y, which

Y's X, which

???

searching thru forums , i could only deduce that the WHICH rule is not something that should be hardwired..

i have seen many instances where.. which does not refer to the immediate noun but a far off one..

even RON has in one of his posts mentioned.. not to religiously follow this rule...

he gave an example,

the picture on the wall, which is good is mine..

which here is not refering to wall but picture....

which totally freaked me out@@

so i go by the question
i guess destruction of x, which will refer to destruction !
Ronnie,

If you have the 3rd edition MGMAT SC guide, check out the page 104.

This is called MISSION CRITICAL modifier falls between.

He had a way of dodging opponents that impressed the scouts.

So here "of dodging opponents" defines the way so it is okay to have it in between. In your example:

the picture on the wall, which is good is mine..

I believe ON THE WALL is serving the same purpose and modifying the noun WHICH refers to : The Picture

What do you say ?
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by pbanavara » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:46 pm
sumitkhurana wrote:Astrologers saw the comet as a portent of the DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.

A. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.
B. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which happened as expected.
C. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which was expected.
D. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which was expected.
Actually .. the Jerusalem's destruction is wrong as Jerusalem is a proper noun.

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by sumitkhurana » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:35 pm
I would like to gain experience in international finance, which is lacking in my current job.

In this sentence, the same source says that which refers to international finance. Not quite sure how "experience in international finance" different from "destruction of Jerusalem" or "picture on the wall".

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Re: Destruction of Jerusalem

by logitech » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:10 pm
pbanavara wrote:
sumitkhurana wrote:Astrologers saw the comet as a portent of the DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.

A. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.
B. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which happened as expected.
C. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which was expected.
D. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which was expected.
Actually .. the Jerusalem's destruction is wrong as Jerusalem is a proper noun.

- pradeep
SO ?
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Re: Destruction of Jerusalem

by pbanavara » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:14 pm
logitech wrote:
pbanavara wrote:
sumitkhurana wrote:Astrologers saw the comet as a portent of the DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.

A. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.
B. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which happened as expected.
C. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which was expected.
D. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which was expected.
Actually .. the Jerusalem's destruction is wrong as Jerusalem is a proper noun.

- pradeep
SO ?
So the correct version should ideally be "......The destruction of Jerusalem which happened as expected"
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Re: Destruction of Jerusalem

by logitech » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:50 pm
pbanavara wrote:
logitech wrote:
pbanavara wrote:
sumitkhurana wrote:Astrologers saw the comet as a portent of the DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.

A. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.
B. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which happened as expected.
C. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which was expected.
D. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which was expected.
Actually .. the Jerusalem's destruction is wrong as Jerusalem is a proper noun.

- pradeep
SO ?
So the correct version should ideally be "......The destruction of Jerusalem which happened as expected"
So JOHN's cat is wrong per what you say.

We should use Cat of John ?

I think the difference is what you want to express most.( CAT or JOHN) There is nothing grammatically wrong between two of them.

Fi
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Re: Destruction of Jerusalem

by pbanavara » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:55 pm
logitech wrote:
pbanavara wrote:
logitech wrote:
pbanavara wrote:
sumitkhurana wrote:Astrologers saw the comet as a portent of the DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.

A. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.
B. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which happened as expected.
C. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which was expected.
D. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which was expected.
Actually .. the Jerusalem's destruction is wrong as Jerusalem is a proper noun.

- pradeep
SO ?
So the correct version should ideally be "......The destruction of Jerusalem which happened as expected"
So JOHN's cat is wrong per what you say.

We should use Cat of John ?

I think the difference is what you want to express most.( CAT or JOHN) There is nothing grammatically wrong between two of them.

Fi
No pal you didn't get me ...

"The Jerusalem's destruction" is wrong ... "Jersusalem's destruction" is correct. You don't use articles with proper nouns. If you look at the sentence "the" is not underlined .. so that's a part of the sentence that doesn't change.

Similarly .. "The John's cat" is wrong .. "John's cat" is correct

Now if you are using "Cat of John" then you have to specify "The cat of John" because Cat is a common noun

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Re: Destruction of Jerusalem

by logitech » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:03 am
pbanavara wrote:
logitech wrote:
pbanavara wrote:
logitech wrote:
pbanavara wrote:
sumitkhurana wrote:Astrologers saw the comet as a portent of the DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.

A. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which happened as expected.
B. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which happened as expected.
C. DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM, which was expected.
D. JERUSALEM's DESTRUCTION, which was expected.
Actually .. the Jerusalem's destruction is wrong as Jerusalem is a proper noun.

- pradeep
SO ?
So the correct version should ideally be "......The destruction of Jerusalem which happened as expected"
So JOHN's cat is wrong per what you say.

We should use Cat of John ?

I think the difference is what you want to express most.( CAT or JOHN) There is nothing grammatically wrong between two of them.

Fi
No pal you didn't get me ...

"The Jerusalem's destruction" is wrong ... "Jersusalem's destruction" is correct. You don't use articles with proper nouns. If you look at the sentence "the" is not underlined .. so that's a part of the sentence that doesn't change.

Similarly .. "The John's cat" is wrong .. "John's cat" is correct

Now if you are using "Cat of John" then you have to specify "The cat of John" because Cat is a common noun

- pradeep
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