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by rockeyb » Sat May 01, 2010 11:04 pm

If participation in honors creative writing class were limited to graduate students and those undergraduates who have received at least B+ in composition, most of the undergraduate students would be forced to take the regular creative writing class. Such reduction in undergraduate enrollment would reduce the percentage of failing grads in the honors class.

Which of the following if true would most strengthen the conclusion drawn in statement 2 above?

(A)Graduate students have all scored at least B+ in composition.

(B)The honor creative writing course is experiencing overcrowding due to increase in graduate enrollment .

(C)many undergraduates would work harder to score B + in composition rather than be excluded from honors creative writing .

(D)The number of failing grads in honors creative writing has decreased in recent years .

(E)Undergraduates who scored lower than B+ in composition are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of failing grads in honors.

Please explain your answer .

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by vivek1110 » Sat May 01, 2010 11:16 pm

P1: If participation in honors Creative Writing class is restricted to grads and ugrads with atleast a B+ in composition, many ugrads would not be able to enroll for the course.

C: This reduction in enrollment of ugrads, results in decrease in number of failing students in hons. creative Wr. class

Of the number of students failing at hons. creative writing class, if a major proportion of them were students with a grade of less than B+ at undergrad composition, then the conclusion would be strengthened.

E does exactly this, by stating that the students who weren't enrolled, accounted for a major proportion of the students who failed at hons. creative writing class.

Is caught between a rock and a hard place!

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by paddle_sweep » Sun May 02, 2010 1:44 am

IMO it's E. Negate that.

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by reply2spg » Sun May 02, 2010 5:02 am

IMO C. E is irrelevent here. E talks about the students, who will not get B+. In that case those students will not be allowed to the creative writing class. However, passage talks about the students who got more than B+.

rockeyb wrote:If participation in honors creative writing class were limited to graduate students and those undergraduates who have received at least B+ in composition, most of the undergraduate students would be forced to take the regular creative writing class. Such reduction in undergraduate enrollment would reduce the percentage of failing grads in the honors class.

Which of the following if true would most strengthen the conclusion drawn in statement 2 above?

(A)Graduate students have all scored at least B+ in composition.

(B)The honor creative writing course is experiencing overcrowding due to increase in graduate enrollment .

(C)many undergraduates would work harder to score B + in composition rather than be excluded from honors creative writing .

(D)The number of failing grads in honors creative writing has decreased in recent years .

(E)Undergraduates who scored lower than B+ in composition are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of failing grads in honors.

Please explain your answer .

Thanks .

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by gmatmachoman » Sun May 02, 2010 5:32 am

@rockey bhai!
We have 2 creative writing class. One is Honors, atteneded by grads & Undergrads .One more is "regular" classes.
Now the author suggest that failing rate of grads in Honors class will certainly decrease provided the participation is restricted to grads & undergrads who scored B+ in "composition".

Again he says, if that condition is levied then most of the undergrads will be forced to take "regular" creative classes.

SO how does E strengthen authors claim??

Author idenstifies a assumption that undergrads who scored less than B+ are "responsible" for lowered scores of grads. reason could be undergrads are disturbing the grads. or it could be grads are spending most of the time moving around with undergards without concentrating on the subject or it may be that undergrads are "threatening" grads to do homework for them.

So in totality, reduce the undergrads population so that grads % may increase. He basically tries to connect a "relation " between Grads & undergrads!!

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by rockeyb » Sun May 02, 2010 5:45 am

gmatmachoman wrote:@rockey bhai!
We have 2 creative writing class. One is Honors, atteneded by grads & Undergrads .One more is "regular" classes.
Now the author suggest that failing rate of grads in Honors class will certainly decrease provided the participation is restricted to grads & undergrads who scored B+ in "composition".

Again he says, if that condition is levied then most of the undergrads will be forced to take "regular" creative classes.

SO how does E strengthen authors claim??

Author idenstifies a assumption that undergrads who scored less than B+ are "responsible" for lowered scores of grads. reason could be undergrads are disturbing the grads. or it could be grads are spending most of the time moving around with undergards without concentrating on the subject or it may be that undergrads are "threatening" grads to do homework for them.

So in totality, reduce the undergrads population so that grads % may increase. He basically tries to connect a "relation " between Grads & undergrads!!

Govi bhai !!!

I get your point here .

Lets look at option E here :

Undergraduates who scored lower than B+ in composition are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of failing grads in honors.

The option says that Under grads who score lower than B+ are responsible for disproportionate percentage of failing grads in honors .

So how dose it mean that Under grads are actually reducing the result of honors class . Are we assuming

Disproportionate = more .

well then Disproportionate could also be less , that means may be the grads contribute more to the failing % than the undergrads . In this case too its disproportionate and Under grads are not responsible for it .

What say you ?

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by beat_gmat_09 » Sun May 02, 2010 6:13 am

rockeyb wrote:
gmatmachoman wrote:@rockey bhai!
We have 2 creative writing class. One is Honors, atteneded by grads & Undergrads .One more is "regular" classes.
Now the author suggest that failing rate of grads in Honors class will certainly decrease provided the participation is restricted to grads & undergrads who scored B+ in "composition".

Again he says, if that condition is levied then most of the undergrads will be forced to take "regular" creative classes.

SO how does E strengthen authors claim??

Author idenstifies a assumption that undergrads who scored less than B+ are "responsible" for lowered scores of grads. reason could be undergrads are disturbing the grads. or it could be grads are spending most of the time moving around with undergards without concentrating on the subject or it may be that undergrads are "threatening" grads to do homework for them.

So in totality, reduce the undergrads population so that grads % may increase. He basically tries to connect a "relation " between Grads & undergrads!!
Govi bhai !!!

I get your point here .

Lets look at option E here :

Undergraduates who scored lower than B+ in composition are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of failing grads in honors.

The option says that Under grads who score lower than B+ are responsible for disproportionate percentage of failing grads in honors .

So how dose it mean that Under grads are actually reducing the result of honors class . Are we assuming

Disproportionate = more .

well then Disproportionate could also be less , that means may be the grads contribute more to the failing % than the undergrads . In this case too its disproportionate and Under grads are not responsible for it .

What say you ?

rockeybhai

I wonder if the word used is grads here (though i am not blaming any typo by you).
If it is grads (graduates who attend honors classes) then i agree with what machobhai is trying to say (author is trying to relate undergraduates with graduates)

If it is the grades (failing grades of both the graduates and undergraduates who as a group are scoring and results are more of failing) then i will go with E as you already said dispropoti would mean -
If more undergrads are not scoring B+ then
more are not getting enrolled and hence the result of honors class can be more likely to pass (as author makes a bridge here
that more undergraduates are likely to fail at honors and hence there is a need to enroll less number of undergrads to increase the percentage of passing grades)

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by rockeyb » Sun May 02, 2010 6:35 am

@beat_gmat_09 Dude ,

I am not debating weather the author has succeed in bridging the gap between under graduate students and graduates. He has succeed and I agree to it .

Conclusion is : Reduction in undergraduate enrollments would would reduce the percentage of failing grads in the honors class.

That is If number of Undergraduate students are reduced in the honors class then the over result of the class will improve .

Now we need to find one answer that will support this conclusion .

In E as I have explained earlier Disproportionate could mean two things .

So my point here is : If number of undergraduates who score lower than B+ and fail are less than the number of graduates who fail . We still satisfy the condition in E the bridge is still there .

But look at the conclusion . Are we still correct in saying that the honors class result is poor because of Undergraduate students ?

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by beat_gmat_09 » Sun May 02, 2010 7:10 am

rockeyb wrote:@beat_gmat_09 Dude ,

I am not debating weather the author has succeed in bridging the gap between under graduate students and graduates. He has succeed and I agree to it .

Conclusion is : Reduction in undergraduate enrollments would would reduce the percentage of failing grads in the honors class.

That is If number of Undergraduate students are reduced in the honors class then the over result of the class will improve .

Now we need to find one answer that will support this conclusion .

In E as I have explained earlier Disproportionate could mean two things .

So my point here is : If number of undergraduates who score lower than B+ and fail are less than the number of graduates who fail . We still satisfy the condition in E the bridge is still there .

But look at the conclusion . Are we still correct in saying that the honors class result is poor because of Undergraduate students ?

I got your point that E can mean two things (as you already said).
E says that undergraduates are responsible (this means that there is no relation of undergraduates impacting the number of graduates failing but they are impacting the overall result which fluctuates only due to undergraduates,if there are more undergraduates then overall result is more of fail if there are less undergrads overall result is more of pass which creates disproportion) for the disproportion , hence this strenghtens.

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by rockeyb » Sun May 02, 2010 9:36 am

Thanks mate got it

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