Basics of Past Perfect Progressive Tense-

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by imhimanshu » Mon May 23, 2011 10:20 pm
Experts, could you please help how the below constructions differ in meaning from each other. I generally get confused whenever I see Past Perfect or Past Perfect Progressive tenses.

We had been talking about repainting the front room for three years and last night we finally bought the paint.

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We were talking about repainting the front room for three years and last night we finally bought the paint.
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by Ashley@VeritasPrep » Tue May 24, 2011 8:46 pm
Hi!

Here's a set of examples to think about -- examples which, in combination, might help to illustrate the nuances of these different tenses:

(Note that in all of these sentences, "burned" is in the simple past tense; it's the other verb ("step") that I'm varying.)


His foot burned because he had stepped on a jellyfish. --> Past Perfect
He stepped on a jellyfish at some intant in the past, prior to the moment at which his foot burned. Probably, he just stepped on a jellyfish by accident earlier that afternoon or something.

His foot burned because he had been stepping on a jellyfish. --> Past Perfect Progressive (also called Past Perfect Continuous)
We've got a continuous tense that emphasizes duration, so we can conclude that this guy is a masochist (perhaps also a sadist) and was repeatedly stepping on a jellyfish (stomp, stomp, stomp) for a WHILE earlier that afternoon.

His foot burned because he was stepping on a jellyfish. --> Past Progressive (also called Past Continuous).
Here, too, the guy was stepping on the jellyfish repeatedly, but since we're not using a perfect tense, we're not situating this stepping before the moment his foot burned. So this guy was still in the process of stepping on the jellyfish when we commented that his foot burned. His foot burned *as he was doing it.*

His foot burned when he stepped on a jellyfish. --> (Simple) Past
Now we're back to a scenario in which the stepping is one instantaneous event, probably an accident, but here, "stepped" is in simple past just like "burned" is, so the single moment of the step and the single moment of the burn are exactly contemporaneous. Step = ouch. (That's also why I've changed the "because" to a "when" -- i.e., to emphasize the simultaneity.)

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Your specific example is interesting because you give a limited time frame over which the action took place -- "for three years." In this case, as between the two example sentences, I would only ever say the first:
We had been talking about repainting the front room for three years and last night we finally bought the paint.
"For three years" emphasizes duration, so it is indeed good to get a progressive (= continuous) tense in there, but if I'm able to say it's three years, that time period must have *ended* by the time we bought the paint, so to show that it's ended, you want to use a perfect tense. So perfect progressive is the perfect combination. If you use simply the past progressive ("were talking"), it makes it seem as though the talking was still in progress and unfinished -- and as though the three years were still in progress and unfinished -- at the moment you bought the paint. But that's not logical, since you wouldn't be able to say "for three years" unless those years had ended.

Hope that's helpful!
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by GMATMadeEasy » Wed May 25, 2011 3:24 am
@Ashley: wow.. it was thorough. thanks.

A little modified OG12 sentence :

His studies of ice-polished rocks in his Alpine homeland led Louis Agassiz in 1837 to propose the concept that ice sheets existed in now currently temperate areas.

How would you explain the above sentence with respect to the explanation you have given ? hope this will help to reinforce the understanding.

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by sameerballani » Wed May 25, 2011 5:25 am
Ashley@VeritasPrep wrote:Hi!

Here's a set of examples to think about -- examples which, in combination, might help to illustrate the nuances of these different tenses:

(Note that in all of these sentences, "burned" is in the simple past tense; it's the other verb ("step") that I'm varying.)


His foot burned because he had stepped on a jellyfish. --> Past Perfect
He stepped on a jellyfish at some intant in the past, prior to the moment at which his foot burned. Probably, he just stepped on a jellyfish by accident earlier that afternoon or something.

His foot burned because he had been stepping on a jellyfish. --> Past Perfect Progressive (also called Past Perfect Continuous)
We've got a continuous tense that emphasizes duration, so we can conclude that this guy is a masochist (perhaps also a sadist) and was repeatedly stepping on a jellyfish (stomp, stomp, stomp) for a WHILE earlier that afternoon.

His foot burned because he was stepping on a jellyfish. --> Past Progressive (also called Past Continuous).
Here, too, the guy was stepping on the jellyfish repeatedly, but since we're not using a perfect tense, we're not situating this stepping before the moment his foot burned. So this guy was still in the process of stepping on the jellyfish when we commented that his foot burned. His foot burned *as he was doing it.*

His foot burned when he stepped on a jellyfish. --> (Simple) Past
Now we're back to a scenario in which the stepping is one instantaneous event, probably an accident, but here, "stepped" is in simple past just like "burned" is, so the single moment of the step and the single moment of the burn are exactly contemporaneous. Step = ouch. (That's also why I've changed the "because" to a "when" -- i.e., to emphasize the simultaneity.)

--

Your specific example is interesting because you give a limited time frame over which the action took place -- "for three years." In this case, as between the two example sentences, I would only ever say the first:
We had been talking about repainting the front room for three years and last night we finally bought the paint.
"For three years" emphasizes duration, so it is indeed good to get a progressive (= continuous) tense in there, but if I'm able to say it's three years, that time period must have *ended* by the time we bought the paint, so to show that it's ended, you want to use a perfect tense. So perfect progressive is the perfect combination. If you use simply the past progressive ("were talking"), it makes it seem as though the talking was still in progress and unfinished -- and as though the three years were still in progress and unfinished -- at the moment you bought the paint. But that's not logical, since you wouldn't be able to say "for three years" unless those years had ended.

Hope that's helpful!
Very helpful !!
Thank you. (Not the imaginary one, so waiting for real cake in exchange :))
I sometimes get confused about tenses. Specially because sometimes i see that we need to maintain the tense consistency. Its probably because i need to understand the meaning that is being conveyed then look at the tenses. Any tip/suggestion

Thanks.

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