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any quicker way to do this?

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by abcdefg » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:02 am
At Jefferson Elementary School, the number of teachers and students (kindergarten through sixth grade) totals 510. The ratio of students to teachers is 16 to 1. Kindergarten students make up 1/5 of the student population and fifth and sixth graders account for 1/3 of the remainder. Students in first and second grades account for 1/4 of all the students. If there are an equal number of students in the third and fourth grades, then the number of students in third grade is how many greater or fewer than the number of students in kindergarten?

12 greater
17 fewer
28 fewer
36 fewer
44 fewer

The explanation in the CAT, was good. my question is what should one do, when facing this kind of question.
When I saw this question, I thought "there are to many calcs that can go wrong, and it will take me no shorter then 2 min to solve it. I rather guess and use the time to make sure the next 2 or 3 questions are correct".

Somehow I managed to spend over 5 minutes trying to calculate all these spare parts. Unacceptable I know. BTW the answer is 28 .
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by DanaJ » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:21 am
Total number of kids + teachers: T + S = 510

Ratio between students and teachers: S:T = 16:1, meaning that S = 16T.

Use last two equations to get:

16T + T = 510
17T = 510
T = 30 ---- S = 480

Make notations:
K = kindergarten ---1/5 of 480 = 96 and you get 480 - 96 = 384 for the rest
a = first grade
b = second grade
c = third grade
d = fourth grade
e = fifth grade
f = sixth grade

e + f account for 1/3 of 384, so a + b + c + d = 2/3 * 384 = 256.

You also know that a + b = 1/4 * 480 = 120.

Use the last two equations to establish that c + d = 2c = 256 - 120 = 136.
This makes c = 68.

Difference between kindergarten and third grade = 96 - 28.
I'm guessing it's all about the speed with which you work. I took me a while to write this answer, but if I didn't have to explain my notations or write what's going on, I'd be a lot faster. In conclusion: use quick notations for yourself and you've already saved some time.
However, I doubt you'll ever see such a problem in the real thing. This one is actually a system of 6 equations! Note that this is my personal opinion....
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by ghacker » Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:34 am
Actually there is no need to solve equations if you are good with fractions

This question is about how to use fractions efficiently

So here we go

we know that the total number of students is 480

if 1/5 ---> kindergarden ------------------------> 24/120

1/4 1st and 2 nd ---------------> 30/120

1/3 5th and 6th ---------------------> 4/5/*1/3 4/15 = 32/120

so 17/120 = then number of 3rd graders

Hence ans = 480(24-17)/120 = 28

Why ? 120 -----------> LCM (4,5,3) = 60 since 480 and 3rd and 4th graders are equal its easier to take 120
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