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Ambiguity in comparisons

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by lunarpower » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:20 am
i got this in a PM.

we have a policy of not answering specific questions within PM's (i.e., you need to post your question on the forum itself), but i forgot that this was a private message and so answered it as though it were a real forum post.

therefore, we're going to make a real forum post out of it. |:
vikram4689 wrote:Hi Ron,

Following are some of the sentences from MGMAT SC.
1. The clothes hanging on the racks inside the store looked more appealing than in the store window.

From point of view of Ellipses i think it is correct because clothes are already mentioned in sentence and there is no need to do so again BUT correct sentence introduces "those" after than. Please explain the reason for this.
it doesn't seem that you're paying enough attention to the MEANING of the sentence. if a comparison is ambiguous, then you will need to add words to disambiguate it.

the problem with your sentence #1 here is that we don't know what it means:
a) there are two different sets of clothes -- one set on the racks, and another set in the window -- and the ones on the racks look better?
b) the SAME clothes look better on the racks than in the window?
because both meanings are reasonable, this sentence is genuinely ambiguous; you need to add word(s) to disambiguate it.
Similar problem i encountered with:
2. Julia was able to climb the tree as fast her brother did
you're missing "as" between "as fast" and "her brother"

other than that, i think this sentence is fine without "did" -- there's no ambiguity. i.e., obviously julia is not climbing her brother, so there's only one possible meaning for this sentence.

see verbal supplement problem #38 (about calves) for a correct comparison structured this way. (it's also correct with the helping verb, of course, but the helping verb just isn't necessary.)
3. The blue dress looks more flattering on you than the red one does
same as #2 -- this is not ambiguous, so you don't need "does". however, it's still correct with "does".

Also in one of the sentences i found in MGMAT SC:
Given sentence: The tycoon contributed more to the candidate's campaign than anyone else in the industry
this one seems ambiguous.
a) the tycoon contributed more to the candidate than anyone else contributed to the candidate
b) the tycoon contributed more to the candidate than to anyone else

Is corrected sentence really parallel, it has 2 clauses one uses (noun-verb form) and other uses (verb-noun form). I think following sentence would be correct.
The tycoon contributed more to the candidate's campaign than anyone else in the industry DID.

Please explain.

Regards
Vikram
the parallelism is clause || clause; the clauses don't have to be structured in exactly the same way.

note in particular:

* "verb-noun form" is impossible with ACTION VERBS (i.e., it's impossible to write "contributed" in front of its subject)

* either form is permitted with HELPING VERBS if the SUBJECT IS ALONE OR HAS A SHORT MODIFIER:
i know more about shakespeare than my brother does.
i know more about shakespeare than does my brother.
both correct

* if the subject of the helping verb has long modifier(s) attached to it, then the helping verb goes BEFORE:
When James moved to Argentina, he made more money than did his brothers who still lived in Paraguay --> CORRECT
When James moved to Argentina, he made more money than his brothers who still lived in Paraguay did --> this is not acceptable, because it is totally unreadable -- you'd have to read it three or four times before you had any idea what it meant.
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by vikram4689 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:19 am
Thanks Ron, i have realized that the reason for making mistakes is that i am not good at identifying whether there could be 2 meanings of the given sentence. For the 1st sentence "The clothes hanging on the racks inside the store looked more appealing than in the store window. " I understood the meaning of this sentence but failed to make out if it is ambiguous. You provide 2 options :

a) there are two different sets of clothes -- one set on the racks, and another set in the window -- and the ones on the racks look better?
b) the SAME clothes look better on the racks than in the window?
because both meanings are reasonable, this sentence is genuinely ambiguous; you need to add word(s) to disambiguate it.

I was able to make out only a) and this meaning resonated in my mind and i could not think if it could also mean b).

Any TIPS on how can i improve over this .
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by vikram4689 » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:52 pm
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by lunarpower » Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:59 am
vikram4689 wrote:PLease reply
this is more than a bit rude; please don't do it again.

a "reminder email" after 1 day?
on a weekend?

i get up to thirty pm's a day on some days, and i am very busy -- it is not reasonable (for a non-paying client!) to do this sort of thing after 1 day.

this is actually the sort of thing that could taint an entire business career, if it's received by the wrong person too early in that career -- be careful.
what i mean is that this sort of thing (especially when you're the client/subordinate and the person receiving the emails is a professional/boss) is totally not ok in any professional circle in the united states.
things may be different in other countries -- i really don't know (and i'm genuinely curious whether there are cultures in which this kind of thing is *not* considered rude) -- but not in the u.s.
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by lunarpower » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:08 am
vikram4689 wrote:I was able to make out only a) and this meaning resonated in my mind and i could not think if it could also mean b).

Any TIPS on how can i improve over this .
hmm -- it's not a very easy thing to do, i guess. luckily, not very many problems work this way.

one of the biggest hints for ambiguity is the inclusion of certain "extra" words -- for instance, check out #103 in the OG 2nd ed. verbal supplement. in that problem, the addition of the extra helping verb "were" suggests that you should look for ambiguity in the original version (the one that doesn't have "were").
other than that, there are no "hard" clues.
the only other thing i can say is that you should establish the meaning of the sentence at the very beginning of the problem, BEFORE you have examined all the answer choices. this should make it easier for you to identify possible alternate meanings.
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