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A Role question - Renaissance Masters

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by zoe » Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:16 am
Dear All,
here is a role question from MANHANTTAN problem set.

Many people praise High Renaissance painting for creating very realistic images from observation, but scholars have documented that some High Renaissance painters used pinhole cameras to project the likeness of their subjects onto the canvas and painted from there. Thus, people who credit High Renaissance painters with superior artistic skills are misguided. Painting from a projected image requires only an insignificant amount of additional skill beyond that needed to copy a picture outright.

In the argument given, the two boldfaced portions play which of the following roles?

(A) The first is a finding that has been used to support a conclusion that the argument rejects; the second is a claim that supports that conclusion.
(B) The first is a finding that has been used to support a conclusion that the argument rejects; the second is that conclusion.
(C) The first is a claim put forth to support a conclusion that the argument rejects; the second is a consideration that is introduced to counter the force of that evidence.
(D) The first is evidence that forms the basis for the position that the argument seeks to establish; the second is a claim presented to solidify that position.
(E) The first is evidence that forms the basis for the position that the argument seeks to establish; the second is that position.

OA is D.

when I read the solution, I did not catch all, please clarify for me, here is the solution from the MANHANTTAN:
Orange words is MANHATTAN explanation, blue word is my confusion .
Thus, people who credit High Renaissance painters with superior artistic skills are misguided.
The word "thus" might mean this is the conclusion. The previous sentence only said that "some" painters did the tracing thing, not all of them. But this sentence seems to be condemning all of them.
Painting from a projected image requires only an insignificant amount of additional skill beyond that needed to copy a picture outright.
Okay, the last sentence was definitely the conclusion. This sentence is supporting the conclusion. If this is true, then yes, painters who use this technique aren't that great.

As above, that means the conclusion is Painting from a projected image requires only an insignificant amount of additional skill beyond that needed to copy a picture outright.

(A) The first is a finding that has been used to support a conclusion that the argument rejects; the second is a claim that supports that conclusion
MANHATTAN:
A "finding" could be a fact, and a claim is an opinion, so this one is okay so far -- contender

Can catch the idea that claim = opinion

(B) The first is a finding that has been used to support a conclusion that the argument rejects; the second is that conclusion.
MANHATTAN:
A "finding" could be a fact, and the conclusion is technically an opinion. But the boldface opinion is FOR the conclusion; it's not actually the conclusion itself. -- eliminate

Can catch the idea that conclusion = opinion
Opinion is for / against conclusion, how come?
If conclusion = opinion, then, can opinion or conclusion for / against conclusion?



(C) The first is a claim put forth to support a conclusion that the argument rejects; the second is a consideration that is introduced to counter the force of that evidence.
MANHANTTAN:
A "claim" is not a fact. I can eliminate this one. -- Eliminate


(D) The first is evidence that forms the basis for the position that the argument seeks to establish; the second is a claim presented to solidify that position.
MANHANTTAN:
"Evidence" can be a fact, and a claim is an opinion. This one has to stay in, too. -- contender

Can catch the idea that claim = opinion


(E) The first is evidence that forms the basis for the position that the argument seeks to establish; the second is that position.
MANHANTTAN:
"Evidence" can be a fact, but the second boldface is an opinion supporting the conclusion, while this choice says that the second boldface is the "position," or conclusion. I can eliminate this one. -- eliminate

Can catch the idea that opinion is not a conclusion, opinion is for / against conclusion
Opinion is for/ against conclusion ?
I am confused here, what's the relationship among conclusion, claim, pinion .



Compare (A) and (D)
MANHANTTAN:
Based on the fact / opinion technique, I can't get any further; I just have to guess between (A) and (D). The main technique can distinguish between (A) and (D): both boldfaces are premises used to support the author's conclusion.

Wait, the second is the conclusion at the beginning of the explanation from MANHATTAN, why the second one switch to be premise here
Answer (A) says that the first boldface is used "to support a conclusion that the argument rejects." Eliminate answer (A).

thanks very much
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by GMATGuruNY » Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:20 am
zoe wrote:Dear All,
here is a role question from MANHANTTAN problem set.

Many people praise High Renaissance painting for creating very realistic images from observation, but scholars have documented that some High Renaissance painters used pinhole cameras to project the likeness of their subjects onto the canvas and painted from there. Thus, people who credit High Renaissance painters with superior artistic skills are misguided. Painting from a projected image requires only an insignificant amount of additional skill beyond that needed to copy a picture outright.

In the argument given, the two boldfaced portions play which of the following roles?

(A) The first is a finding that has been used to support a conclusion that the argument rejects; the second is a claim that supports that conclusion.
(B) The first is a finding that has been used to support a conclusion that the argument rejects; the second is that conclusion.
(C) The first is a claim put forth to support a conclusion that the argument rejects; the second is a consideration that is introduced to counter the force of that evidence.
(D) The first is evidence that forms the basis for the position that the argument seeks to establish; the second is a claim presented to solidify that position.
(E) The first is evidence that forms the basis for the position that the argument seeks to establish; the second is that position.
Conclusion:
People who credit High Renaissance painters with superior artistic skills are misguided.

WHY are these people misguided?
BF1:
People who credit High Renaissance painters with superior artistic skills are misguided because High Renaissance painters used pinhole cameras to project the likeness of their subjects onto the canvas and painted from there.
BF2:
People who credit High Renaissance painters with superior artistic skills are misguided because painting from a projected image requires only an insignificant amount of additional skill beyond that needed to copy a picture outright.

The correct answer choice must state that BF1 and BF2 each SUPPORT THE CONCLUSION.
Only D is viable:
The first is evidence that forms the basis for the position that the argument seeks to establish; the second is a claim presented to solidify that position.

The correct answer is D.
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by zoe » Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:06 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote:
Conclusion:
People who credit High Renaissance painters with superior artistic skills are misguided.

WHY are these people misguided?
BF1:
People who credit High Renaissance painters with superior artistic skills are misguided because High Renaissance painters used pinhole cameras to project the likeness of their subjects onto the canvas and painted from there.
BF2:
People who credit High Renaissance painters with superior artistic skills are misguided because painting from a projected image requires only an insignificant amount of additional skill beyond that needed to copy a picture outright.

The correct answer choice must state that BF1 and BF2 each SUPPORT THE CONCLUSION.
Only D is viable:
The first is evidence that forms the basis for the position that the argument seeks to establish; the second is a claim presented to solidify that position.

The correct answer is D.
thanks Guru,

Great useful!!!
I got it . yours is better than MANHATTAN.

would you please clarify the relationship among conclusion, claim, pinion
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