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by prateek_guy2004 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:17 am
Power Prep 1 320 Q22 V11 (01/07/11)
Power Prep 2 500 Q36 V22 (03/08/11)
Kaplan CAT 2 460 Q28 V26 (09/09/11)
PR CAT 1-----360 Q32 V09 (11/09/11)
MGMAT CAT 1--420 Q33 V17 (12/09/11)

I guess it rare to see scores declining like this......I know i need to work in both the sections but majorly in Verbal......Confused where to start ? should i again start reading my basic books.....

I have.....
Princeton review
Kaplan premier
Kaplan 800( havent started yet)
Manhattan SC(started reading)
OG 12 (completed)

Havent Test myself on Gmat prep yet..Guess will write it day after!!!!!

any suggestions on how to improve my scores drastically are welcomed.....

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by DanaJ » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:41 am
The number one problem I see: you focus on practice and CATs. This is not the way to go. Avoid doing that until you have a solid theoretical base. You don't learn as much unless you know what is tested, how to approach it etc.

My no. 1 advice to you: stop the practice for a while and focus on theory. Or review theory and practice on each concept afterwards? This might be even better.

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by tpr-becky » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:45 pm
it is actually quite more common than you would think to see scores like yours. As far as what to do to start studying I would suggest you change the format of your studying. Most students either try to memorize, memorize, memorize or they do problem after problem hoping to get improvement. But this test tests your logical thinking and your problem solving ability so neither of these methods is as effective as they should be.

To be a good test taker you need an organized knowledge base that is tested on the exam. How do the geometric formulas lead to each other? how are they related? Keeping organized connections between knowledge content is the best way to improve your knowledge on the test. In sentence correction there are only 6 big rules that are consistently and predictably tested - learn what they are and how to spot them on the test then figure out how to consistently approach the problem the eliminate wrong answers.

The second element is test taking technique. This requires you to have a standardized way of approaching the problem types that links the problem directly to your knowledge (for instance variables in the answers should be noticed before begining a question and indicate plugging in in the problem solving portion) If you can create a system that has you look for specific things and then directs you what to do next depending on what you find you will be able to achieve much improved scores.

The third element is confidence, this comes with time and practice but also means a trust in your techniques that will get you through even the most difficult issues on hard problems.

I would suggest building these patterns into your studying, reviewing every question to find out what the standardized testing approach is, and how it fit that particular problem, then outlining what knowledge was required to solve the problem.

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by prateek_guy2004 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:42 pm
Thanks Dana

for replying Yes i can understand what are you saying....But from last Before this week i just gave 2 CATs ,so had to check where i stand.....
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by prateek_guy2004 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:47 pm
Thanks Becky

that is really informative.....Well the reason i shoot 3 test in last 3 days was that i just gave 2 test before that had to know where i stand....Moreover i had this fear of taking long tests..After finishing Quant i dont feel like completing Verbal so normally i guess last 10 to 10 Ques's....

so i thought the reason is lack of stamina and practice....Really wanted to overcome it.....

Now that i have a good idea of where all i am lacking( not a particular section but whole gmat)..So can get with my practice......

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by Brian@VeritasPrep » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:13 pm
Hey Prateek,

Thanks for the invite to chime in here - and I have to say I agree with everything that Dana and Becky said.

If I can add a little value to the score pattern, too...That difference between 500 on August 3 and 460 on September 9 might be completely negligible, and to me it looks like that started a little spiral of panic for you the rest of the weekend. But keep in mind that:

-Test prep companies probably have some incentive to keep their tests a little harder, at least on scoring, than what they might think is "perfect". That's not underhanded, either - it's more a function of that they kind of know that they're not playing with the full-fledged CAT algorithm, so if they know that the scores might not be fully accurate they'll probably err on the side of keeping scores just a little bit lower so that they encourage you to study harder (which can't really hurt most people) instead of to get complacent (which could hurt). So that 460 on the Kaplan test might not be all that different from that 500 on the Power Prep - each algorithm is a little different and there is that "when in doubt, round down" mentality that at least makes sense for practice test makers.

-3 practice tests in 4 days is probably going to lead to depressed scores...that's just a lot of wear and tear on you, mentally, and if you're not addressing mistakes and building more of a conceptual/strategic base from test to test you're probably only going to show that fatigue and not any improvement. Your pattern isn't altogether surprising given the nature of when you took the tests and how it looks like you reacted to them. And it doesn't suggest that you're any worse than you were on August 3, either, so you don't really have too much cause for panic here.

Now for the good news - now you have great blueprints for how you make mistakes under pressure. You took at least two tests this weekend while tired, stressed, and a little panicked. So go back and see if you find patterns in the mistakes that you made or the concepts that you struggled to apply in that state. You can fix those! The true value of practice tests lies not in their ability to predict your score, but in the way that they show you how you'll perform. The way that you'll change your score is by changing your performance, and the tests show you what you need to change. So although it's much easier said than done, I'd focus a lot more on what the tests show you qualitatively than what you've already noted quantitatively.

As for your point about "a fear of taking long tests", keep in mind that if you're guessing on the last 10 questions that's really only 20 minutes (if that) of test time. You can trick yourself into enjoying that. Our high school cross-country coach always stressed that mile 2 of a 3.1 mile race was the most important because "the last one takes care of itself". Meaning that, if you're on the home stretch and almost done, your body/mind will do whatever it takes to finish, but it's that difficult stretch before you're just about done that's the hardest. So remind yourself as you're taking the test that "the last 5 take care of themselves" and laugh at yourself - out loud is fine -for feeling so stressed about doing 10 questions when really it's only 20 minutes. You can change the way you think about the end of the test...when you think of how many times you've endured 20 awful minutes in your life (workouts, dentist visits, bad meetings, train stoppages,etc.), the GMAT at least gives you a really big incentive for enduring. At that point, focus on "the next five" and know that the last five should take care of themselves.
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by sam2304 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:13 pm
Prateek,

Take mocks once a week or two weeks once. Taking it too often drains our energy. Try honing your strengths. Its easier to improve. Find the best material for that section. Take one section a week focus on concepts, solve, review, repeat. Give a mock see if you had improved on that section. One by one you can go ahead. Its equally important to perform good in all the sections to get high scores. Don worry about weakness When you have space for improvement for your strengths. Improve your weakness that you are able to maintain the 700 level questions appearing in the test though you get it wrong and hone your strengths to attempt them rightly.

You can try solving questions from BTG forum as well an hour a day so that you get a bit of variety. I found the MGMAT verbal styles a bit different from OG questions in mocks. Do not get so much used to the OG alone. Hope this helps. :)

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by prodizy » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:27 am
Prateek,

If you are conceptually strong, then your brain won't tire as much, and you will be able to overcome your "unable to focus on the last 10 questions" problem.
I suggest you to go through MGMAT math guides. Once you go through them, you will see a lot of difference in your quant scores.
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by prateek_guy2004 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:36 am
Hi Brian,


Really appreciate your suggestion ......

Have started reviewing verbal basics ...Guess will do that for next 12 days and after that will try my 1st gmat prep.....

That was a motivating example even my coach use to push last few sets in workout sessions...

Will follow All the points suggested by you....

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by prateek_guy2004 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:39 am
sam2304 wrote:Prateek,

Take mocks once a week or two weeks once. Taking it too often drains our energy. Try honing your strengths. Its easier to improve. Find the best material for that section. Take one section a week focus on concepts, solve, review, repeat. Give a mock see if you had improved on that section. One by one you can go ahead. Its equally important to perform good in all the sections to get high scores. Don worry about weakness When you have space for improvement for your strengths. Improve your weakness that you are able to maintain the 700 level questions appearing in the test though you get it wrong and hone your strengths to attempt them rightly.

You can try solving questions from BTG forum as well an hour a day so that you get a bit of variety. I found the MGMAT verbal styles a bit different from OG questions in mocks. Do not get so much used to the OG alone. Hope this helps. :)
Thanks Sam

will try to follow your suggestion, I do solve BTG ques's all the time.....

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Appreciate your suggestion, I do agree with you...Have started reviewing verbal....Hope that will raise my scores .....
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by sam2304 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:06 am
Would like to add upon one more thing. Even I was unable to concentrate the last few question in verbal during mocks. Then I started to scribble down something for CR and RC qns which increased my concentration a bit while solving the problem rather than just staring the monitor and brooding over it. Earlier i never used to write down anything for verbal section. But after some futile attempts I started comprehending things clearly just to write it down which greatly improved my performance. Try it out as well, but everybody have their own strategy. It might help :)
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by prateek_guy2004 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:20 am
Hi Sam

That is a great strategy ..i do that when i attempting RC's but havent tried that in CR..looks like a good suggestion..will try that tomm....

Also after giving few tests now i am not scared of test anymore....Only thing is that need to improve gmat contend....

Hope that will affect my scores...
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by VivianKerr » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:00 am
You say you've "completed" OG 12 -- does that mean you have created an Error Log for every single question you got wrong? Do you know the underlying CONCEPTS behind each Question. I suggest you re-take the OG 12. Do you get repeat incorrect answers? Try to hone in on the gaps in your content-knowledge. It's still too early in your prep to be doing so many CATs.

I suggest you finish MGMAT SC and check out Powerscore CR and MGMAT Number Prop. Stay focused on that Error Log, and spend more time reviewing old questions than answering new ones.

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by prateek_guy2004 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:50 am
VivianKerr wrote:You say you've "completed" OG 12 -- does that mean you have created an Error Log for every single question you got wrong? Do you know the underlying CONCEPTS behind each Question. I suggest you re-take the OG 12. Do you get repeat incorrect answers? Try to hone in on the gaps in your content-knowledge. It's still too early in your prep to be doing so many CATs.

I suggest you finish MGMAT SC and check out Powerscore CR and MGMAT Number Prop. Stay focused on that Error Log, and spend more time reviewing old questions than answering new ones.

Good luck!
Hi Vivian

Thank you for replying Just bought MGMAT number prop,Geometry,Word prob and power score CR bible...

Have started reading CR today....Well i did not maintain any error log for OG....But yeah now i will keep and eye on ques's which are giving me trouble....

For Cr should i wait to finish the whole book before practicing OG..Because unlike MGMAT ,Power score dosent have Ques from OG.....

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by VivianKerr » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:07 am
I would try to do a little bit of everything, like circuit training, doing 1-2 hour "chunks" of different books, concepts, and question-types. I would work through OG and work on your Error Log at the same time you're doing Powerscore CR. Don't think of it like "finishing" one and then moving on to another. You should be working on everything in small doses, at the same time.
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