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by iwill » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:59 am
One of Ronald Reagan’s first acts as President was to rescind President Carter’s directive that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries.

(A) that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries

(B) that any chemical be prohibited from sale to other countries that was banned on medical grounds in the United States

(C) prohibiting the sale to other countries of any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States

(D) prohibiting that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States is sold to other countries

(E) that any chemical banned in the United States on medical grounds is prohibited from being sold to other countries

Please discuss.
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by duke » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:49 am
iwill wrote:One of Ronald Reagan’s first acts as President was to rescind President Carter’s directive that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries.

(A) that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries

(B) that any chemical be prohibited from sale to other countries that was banned on medical grounds in the United States

(C) prohibiting the sale to other countries of any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States

(D) prohibiting that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States is sold to other countries

(E) that any chemical banned in the United States on medical grounds is prohibited from being sold to other countries

Please discuss.
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ANS is C. "directive" is one that prohibits the sale, not the fact that any chemical sale should be prohibited. So out of C & D, C is better.
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by scoobydooby » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:57 am
IMO A

A: directive is an order, so the correct usage is "x be prohibited from sale to y"
B: seems to mean ..countries that was banned
C: is wordier and passive
D: prohibiting that is wrong. idiom: prohibit x from y
E: prohibited from being sold is awkward
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by jeffxujian » Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:00 am
IMO A

prohibits from.... is the correct idiomatic form, therefore, c, d, e can be eliminated.

compare a and b, a sticks with the orginal meaning, whereas b sounds awkward
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by jessica.ng1988 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:58 am
IMO: C
that is redundancy
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by lvincy » Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:48 pm
IMO C
prohibiting the sale describe directive
later part describe what type of sale.
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by sumithshah » Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:43 am
OA is C
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by sunnychopra » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:07 am
Hi All,
i also believe that correct option is 'C'
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by sunnychopra » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:12 am
Hi All,
i also believe that correct option is 'C'
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by wonder » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:42 am
i was confused between A and C, but C makes sense now (now that its the OA!!) :D

On a serious note,
c is better because -:

- 'directive that ...... be prohibited' is more awkward than 'directive prohibiting ...',

- 'prohibited from sale': that's another thing thats wrong in A. the correct use of the idiom in this case would be 'chemical companies were prohibited from selling chemicals...'
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by iamcste » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:38 am
Idioms irrespective of tense, gerunds, participles take the same form.

prohibit X from Y, forbid X to do Y

E is out for using being

Of the remaining 4 it comes down to whether subjunctive is needed or not. I initially thought the same sentence can be expressed with out subjunctive as the action has been completed. IMO, Subjunctive is used to express wish or actions that we want to see happen.

I thought I would take out A & B, lets go with C & D. But neither C & D use the correct idiom "prohibit X from Y"

That took me back to A & B. B reverses the order of prohibition and banning.

Hence A.
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by wonder » Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:16 pm
iamcste wrote:Idioms irrespective of tense, gerunds, participles take the same form.

prohibit X from Y, forbid X to do Y

E is out for using being

Of the remaining 4 it comes down to whether subjunctive is needed or not. I initially thought the same sentence can be expressed with out subjunctive as the action has been completed. IMO, Subjunctive is used to express wish or actions that we want to see happen.

I thought I would take out A & B, lets go with C & D. But neither C & D use the correct idiom "prohibit X from Y"

That took me back to A & B. B reverses the order of prohibition and banning.

Hence A.
hey iamcste...you are absolutely right about the idioms...but then, the idiom should make sense..in A, if we go by prohibit X from Y , we see that it means prohibit CHEMICALS from SALE (its not correct right?) The countries can be prohibited from selling the chemicals, but the chemicals cannot be prohibited right?
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by iamcste » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:14 am
hey iamcste...you are absolutely right about the idioms...but then, the idiom should make sense..in A, if we go by prohibit X from Y , we see that it means prohibit CHEMICALS from SALE (its not correct right?) The countries can be prohibited from selling the chemicals, but the chemicals cannot be prohibited right?


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X=banned chemical and Y sale

prohibit "Banned chemical " from "sale " to....

Now hopefully, this answers you
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by java_ka_jalwa » Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:14 pm
iamcste,

Subjunctive mood is found in clauses following a verb that expresses a doubt, a wish, regret, request, demand, or proposal.

"that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries." should have followed a verb for the subjunctive usage to be correct.

"President Carter's directive which demanded that banned chemical be prohibited" is correct usage since the subjunctive clause is following "demanded".

"President Carter's directive that banned chemical be prohibited" is not subjunctive, since the clause is not following a verb, but rather an adjective clause modifying "directive".

I suggested that we be on time. -> correct subjunctive

I made a suggestion that we be on time. -> not subjunctive and is wrong

my 2 cents.
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