Lacking Stamina in test!!!

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Lacking Stamina in test!!!

by tony4mba » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:55 am
I have identified one of my problems.
Last week I concentrated only on SC questions and today morning I took one Kaplan GMAT test.What I found was that after starting the verbal section I was loosing my concentration, rather I was loosing my patience to read the section.(Lacking Stamina!!!) I think this is one of the reason why I am scoring low in verbal section.

Is this something which I can overcome by doing more exams? Shall I do something extra so that I can have the same concentration and interest with which I do the quant section.

But writing more exams!!! I need to sit 3 hours continuously, right? Each day after work it seems to be difficult. However I will be able to write on saturdays and sundays.But only one month left for the exam. Please suggest some strategy.

I am happy that I have improved my score on SC problems. Thanks for your posts.
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by tpr-becky » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:52 pm
Stamina can be developed two ways - one is the way you are discussing - taking more 3 hour tests - or you can sit down and do 3 hours worth of homework without looking at the answers or reviewing questions to have the same effect. This will help you to simply be able to sit and concentrate for the right length of time.

But really the issue tends to be lack of focus on the exam - this happens when you aren't really sure about why you are doing anything but you know you need to work problems. This causes brain fog very quickly. The best way to do this is to understand your approach to the questions from an achievement centered point of view. you need to know why you are doing what you are doing as well as how to do it.

for example - if you are reading a reading comp section what technique to you have in place to accomplish reading and why are you doing it that way. I teach the technique of reading a paragraph with the goal of summarizing it in 4-6 words after 1 read. You begin to read more actively, get involved and ignore anything that doesn't work with the main point. Then when you are doing a quesiton you need to reword it so you know exactly how to answer that quesiton and go find the answer yourself - if you have smaller goals you may find that you have more stamina. Imagine if you were just wandering in a park - after a while you would get bored - but if you were constantly given clues as to what to look for in the park you would probably maintain your energy so you have to do this type of thing for yourself on the GMAT.
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by tony4mba » Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:45 am
Thanks for your advice Becky...
I think the second idea what you have said is going to help me... Because last time when someone told me that I should take down notes while doing RC questions, I told myself that its going to be a waste of time.. but then when I gave it a second thought, I felt that what you have said is correct.. I will read with an intention to jot down something on my notes...
Thanks for your help Becky.. Hoping to do well for GMAT.

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by Stacey Koprince » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:56 am
Received a PM asking me to respond. I'm sorry I'm just getting to your message now; I've been on vacation since 23 June.

I completely agree with Becky that you need to have a plan for each problem - know what you're supposed to do and have concrete steps to take so that it's harder to get distracted and lose concentration.

I also try to build stamina during study sessions - but NOT by doing problems for 3 hours straight, actually (except when taking practice tests, of course). Instead, if I'm going to sit down for a 2-hour study session, first I take 5 or 10 minutes to plan out exactly what I'm going to do. I know that I'm going to do some problems and then review those problems, so I figure out exactly which ones I'm going to do and how much time I'm going to take. Let's say I do problems for 30 minutes and then I spend 90 minutes reviewing those problems, for a total of 2 hours. I allow myself one 8-minute break in the middle; other than that, I "go" the entire time! I don't allow myself to check my email, look at my phone, get some food out of the fridge, even go to the bathroom! I pretend it's the test and wait for the break.

You don't need to do the above for 3+ hours because it actually takes a lot more brain effort to learn than to "do." For the first 30 min I'm "doing." For the final 90 minutes, I'm learning. That's equivalent to "doing" for 3.5 hours (which is what we do when we take a practice test).
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by tony4mba » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:04 am
I am happy to tell you that I have improved my stamina. Now I am able to concentrate for the whole time of exam. However, I think I should be continuously writing the exams till Jul 31 (GMAT scheduled on Aug 2nd.), because last weekend when I wrote a full length exam, my pacing was alright.But yesterday when I did GMAT prep2,it was a complete flop.

I have analyzed yesterday's exam as follows. (Score:610; Q:45; V:28)

Quant(Score:45)
Incorrect: 14 (PS:7 + Ds:7)
Reason for mistakes: 1) Carelessness 2)Timing

I think overconfidence spoiled the game. Because as I continued with the questions I was able to workout most of the problems, so I thought I can spend more time on difficult questions. I had a feeling that I will be able to answer
subsequent questions in lesser time. Thus I spent lot of time on difficult DS questions, and I think I had to simply hit and run almost 5 to 6 questions at the end without even reading to avoid penalty.

My idea on Quant timing: I calculate the timing as I have 2 minutes for 1 question. May be since I am not weak at Maths, I dont have any issue with this timing. And for some questions I actually dont need 2 minutes so I believe I can use that spill over time to do difficult questions. But now what I realized yesterday is that I should also have a maximum limit on each question. (Here please help me how to decide on that maximum limit)

Concepts to improve: Time & Work,probability
Can you help me on Work questions. Any reference link?
Probability, actually I dont care much. Because I think I will get only one question on that, and that too I will spend time on it only if it is an easy question. Because I think the probability of getting the answer wrong on probability question is very high :)

Verbal(Score:28)
Incorrect:17 (RC:6 + CR:6 + SC:5)
Reason for mistakes: 1) Timing

Though my Verbal score is only 28 here, my confidence level has increased much because of a lot of reasons. Literally speaking, I used to feel sleepy once I start Verbal part of the exam! Now I am able to concentrate. Now I read RC passages! Now I know how to approach SC passages. I think the main problem here is timing.

My idea on Verbal timing: Actually I dont have any idea on how to set my pace on verbal part! Only thing I know is that on SC questions if it is easy or if I am able to identify one which I think is correct I take less time, but if I am stuck between two options I am really stuck there. I usually take a lot of time in deciding between those two. The funny part is that after spending that much time on it finally I will decide on any of those two in "let it be" feeling.

In yesterday's exam I had to simply hit and run the last 11 questions without even reading to avoid penalty.

So here I really need your help... pleaseee...

One more reason which boosted my confidence level: If I divide the verbal part into two 20 and 20... I made only 1 mistake in the first 20 questions. ie. I made 16 mistakes in the later half, where I had to rush to avoid penalty. Therefore I believe that there is more room for improvement if I can set my pacing along with the accuracy.

My plan for coming days (20 days left)

More or less I have gone through the basics of Quant and Verbal. So now I think I will write one exam each day and will review the wrong answers. Along with that will brush up the basics related to those concepts. I think this will help to improve my pacing also.

However, I will not be able to mimic the actual test conditions. I plan to write the exam before I go to work (6:30 AM to 9:15 AM) and will review the same after work. Hope to mimic the actual test condition on weekends.

I also plan keep a book to analyze my tests as I have done above.

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by Stacey Koprince » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:20 pm
so I thought I can spend more time on difficult questions. I had a feeling that I will be able to answer
subsequent questions in lesser time.
This strategy / thinking will NEVER work on a CAT. Think about why.

Your goal in spending more time on the difficult questions is to answer them correctly, right? And what happens when you answer them correctly?

You get harder ones.

Now, you're already spending more time on these difficult questions. You get them right. You get even more difficult ones. Are you going to be able to answer those in LESS time than you took on the previous ones? No. Well, not correctly, anyway. :)

Be vigilant in managing your time! Do not let them suck you into thinking that you are the one person in the world who can "beat" the test / "beat" the time requirements. Quant = 2m average, max of 2.5 on any Q. Period. You can't get it in that timeframe, you move on!

You should also have a minimum time limit, by the way, to make sure that you don't go SO quickly that you make a lot of careless mistakes. On quant, my minimum time is 1m; if I finish in less time than that, I do it again.
Because I think the probability of getting the answer wrong on probability question is very high
lol! Good strategy; I approve. :)

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Timing for verbal per question:
SC - about 60-75 sec; max of 90 sec
CR - about 2m; max of 2.5m
RC - about 2.5m (short) to 3.5m (long) to read; about 1 min for general purpose questions; about 1.5 to 2 for everything else

Timing guidelines for the entire section:
Quant:
Q10: 55 min left
Q20: 35 min left
Q30: 15 min left

Verbal:
This is trickier because it partially depends upon where the 3 or 4 RC passages begin. The below assumes that one new passage starts within each quarter of the test (Q1-10, Q11-20, Q21-30, Q31-41).
Q10: 56 min left
Q20: 37 min left
Q30: 19 min left
You may have to adjust the above if the passages don't start in the way described above. For instance, if by the time you get to Q10, you've actually had 2 passages start, not just one, then you should expect to have fewer minutes left - maybe 53 instead of 56. If, on the other hand, you get to Q10 and you've had no passages start, then you should expect to have more - maybe 59 left. Every time a new passage starts, I keep track with a tick mark on the first page of my scrap paper. If you're worried about losing that or having to flip back to find the tick marks, then keep track on your hand - maybe with dots, so that you don't have as much skin to scrub later. :)
but if I am stuck between two options I am really stuck there. I usually take a lot of time in deciding between those two.
I'm guilty of this, too - this was a hard habit to break. Here's what I do: Once I've narrowed any verbal Q down to 2 answers, I allow myself to examine each choice ONE more time. That's it. Then I have to pick. (I've found that whatever our instinct is at that point, it doesn't change much if we keep going back and forth. So we might as well go with our instinct right away rather than 45 seconds from now!)
I made only 1 mistake in the first 20 questions. ie. I made 16 mistakes in the later half, where I had to rush to avoid penalty. Therefore I believe that there is more room for improvement if I can set my pacing along with the accuracy.
You do have to fix the pacing. You can't keep that accuracy. Even people scoring in the 99th percentile are not getting only 1 question (or 2) wrong on the entire test. If you take more than 30sec beyond what you're supposed to spend in order to get something right, then you have wasted your time even if you get that Q right - because you have just guaranteed yourself something else wrong later in the test. And if you do that enough to result in multiple in a row wrong, then that will be even worse.

Change your mindset. You are NOT trying to get everything right. Think of this as a tennis match, not a test. You're going to win some points and the other guy is going to win some points; you're not going to win them all, right? Your goal is to put yourself into position to win the LAST point. Translated, that means you have to put yourself in position to answer the last question - you have to have time to address it. Otherwise, you've lost the last point, and by extension the match. When the other guy hits a winner, don't go running after it so fast that you hit the fence and injure yourself, thereby hurting your chances on the later points. (Translation: don't go way over when the problem is too hard.)
now I think I will write one exam each day and will review the wrong answers.
I think this is an extremely inefficient strategy. CAT exams are really good for (a) figuring out where you're scoring right now, (b) practicing stamina, and (c) analyzing your strengths and weaknesses. The actual act of just taking the exam is NOT so useful for improving. It's what you do with the test results / between tests that helps you to improve.

Make a distinction between "doing" and "learning." When you take a test or do a set of practice problems, you are doing. When you review, when you analyze what went wrong and figure out how to get better, and then practice, that is learning. You learn between tests. Then you use what you learned when you take a test. You learn a bit when you take a test - but most of what you learn is from your review, analysis, and study.
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by tony4mba » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:14 pm
10 More days left!!!
Stacey... Any advice on what all things to do? As you suggested I dropped my plan to write tests everyday; I am concentrating more on verbal.
Any advice on how I should make use of these 10 days? How many tests should I write? on what all days? Any specific test which one must compulsarily write before taking the actual exam (other than GMAT prep)? Please respond

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by Stacey Koprince » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:36 pm
One test in the final 10 days, taken about 7 days before. Take it under full official conditions, including essays. If your score is within the range you hope to score on the real test, then take the real test. If your score is well below what you want to score on the real test, then either postpone your test or lower your goal score.

Do not take practice tests within 4 days of the real thing. You'll tire yourself out and you won't have enough time to do much with the results anyway.

You can use any test you want as long as (a) it's adaptive, and (b) it's high quality. GMATPrep is great; so are various test-prep company tests. GMATPrep is from the makers of the real thing but doesn't give you any data to interpret. Test-prep company tests are not the real thing but they do give you data to interpret. So there are reasons to use either one; your choice.

Generally, in the last week, acknowledge that your weaknesses are what they are. You aren't going to change your weaknesses much in the last week. The last week is really just about review of everything - review of major content areas, major solving techniques, timing / pacing, educated guessing, etc. The closer you get to the test, the less you do. The day before, don't do more than a couple of hours of review. (REVIEW. NOT learning new stuff or trying to fix major weaknesses.)

Have a consistent sleep schedule. Eat good brain food (protein, fat, complex carbs). Exercise a bit every day. You're an athlete getting ready for the World Championships. :)

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by tony4mba » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:46 am
Is it 100% sure that everyone writing GMAT exam will get experimental questions? Can we assume that experimental questions are very hard?

Suppose I get a question to add the numbers in a 5*5 matrix. I know that its going to take time, but I also know that I will surely get the answer right. what do you suggest in such a scenario?

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by Stacey Koprince » Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:00 pm
First, every test will have experimentals, yes (but you won't be able to tell which are which).

Next, it's possible to get experimentals at ANY level. Experimentals have not been assigned a level yet; they're being given to us so that they can assign a level. They need questions at every level, so experimentals could be anywhere from super easy to super hard. The questions are randomly assigned; you could be scoring at the 95th percentile and get a question that will later be rated a 5th percentile question or vice versa.

If you get a question that asks you to add the numbers in a 5*5 matrix, the first thing you should think is: there's a pattern here. Try to find the pattern. If you can, then use it. If you can't, then try to estimate or find some other way to make a decent guess, then guess and move on. (Unless you think you can add all 25 numbers accurately in 2min, or 2.5 max. But if you need to spend 3+, forget it!)
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by tony4mba » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:23 am
Good luck! Let us know how it goes!!
It went really bad Stacey... I felt to cry... 580 Q:46,V:24
Initially I never planned to send the score here... but after two days (after realizing the truth or accepting the failure this time) I thought, it will not be fair if I don't update you. :cry:

The first two hours... everything went fine. Usually I was not so comfortable with argument essays but this time both essays I did decently well. I mean, I had enough stuff to write. (didn't get marks on that... Anyways it didn't hurt my confidence).
Then Quant... that also went fine. Though I got stuck in between,I was careful enough to concentrate and moved on.

Verbal; I thing the problem started with one of the RC questions. Not being able to decide on one answer I kept on going back to passage and answer choices; suddenly I got the feeling that..... okk.... YOU ARE LOSING TIME.... I HURRIED.... THEN SLOWED... AGAIN HURRIED... SLOWED... LOST MY CONCENTRATION... ABOUT 6 QNS AT THE END, I HAD TO CLICK BLINDLY TO AVOID PENALTY....

Now Whats Next???
Actually bit confused on what to do....
Options that I see;
1. Continue with the current job; (job is good in a good company; but somewhere in my mind the thinking of doing an MBA disturbs me quite often)
2. Write GMAT once again; (Time will run.. will be able to join any college next year only.. if I do well in GMAT... I thing I can improve my score... may be this time the preparation was not enough )
3. Jump and do an MBA now itself wherever it is;

One more thought that I have which disturbs me;
What to do after MBA, ie. which stream to take on; Currently I work as a Business Analyst in an IT company.

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by Stacey Koprince » Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:02 am
I'm sorry you had a rough time with the test. You do have one piece of good news - you did well on quant.

I was looking back through the threads and I can't find any mention of your goal score or where you want to apply. Then, I saw the last line of your most recent post:
One more thought that I have which disturbs me;
What to do after MBA, ie. which stream to take on; Currently I work as a Business Analyst in an IT company.
This should be your first question, not your last one. :) Getting an MBA is extremely expensive - not only do you have to pay the tuition, but you also aren't earning money for two years. You need to make sure that this is the right thing for you to do - for example, because it will help you to accomplish some goal that you have in your career. If you don't know WHY you're getting the MBA, then it's possible that you don't even need one. I never actually got my MBA - it didn't make sense for my career and what I wanted to do.

So I think this is really the place to start. You may want to talk to a career counselor or someone who can help you ask the right questions to figure out what you really want to do. You don't have to plan everything out exactly, but you should have some idea that whatever you want to do will actually benefit from an MBA. An admissions consultant might also be able to help you; lots of admissions consultants will give you a free 30 minute consultation. Take advantage of that and tell them you want to spend the time figuring out whether an MBA is right for you in the first place.

Then, assuming an MBA does make sense for you, do you have any idea where you want to apply? If so, do you know what kinds of scores those schools expect? Knowing that information will allow you to figure out an appropriate goal score for yourself. That, in turn, will allow you to develop a gameplan and timeframe. And it's possible that you already have what you need for whatever schools you want to attend! Everyone always talks about a 700, but only the very top schools really expect that kind of score. There are tons of good schools that don't require that kind of score.

Once you have all of the above info, then we can talk about whether you should take the test again and, if so, how you should study!
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by tony4mba » Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:04 am
Thank you Stacey for your help and concern that you have shown to me. I was wondering why nobody is sending a reply :)

Actually I am trying to figure out the answer to that question. What I want to do?.
I asked the same question to my brother also like What will I do after MBA? because I was so much confused on what to do. It's not like I am not happy with the job but I have feeling that I can do something more. He was telling me that I am confused because I am not having enough exposure and I am only at the beginning of my career. An MBA will give me an exposure to different fields. Above all he says it will give me a different thinking process. I will have a different view on things happening around me once I do an MBA.

So currently what I thought now is that. one year I am trying to change my mindset. I will try to improve myself in a holistic way. As my brother pointed out, there is difference between and Engineer and a Manager. (I am an Engineer) An engineer always identifies the problem , take out that, and gets involved into it and solves the problem. Here he is not bothered about any other things outside the problem. Finally his aim to fix the problem whereas for a Manager he needs to put his head into a number of related issues or items when he handles a problem. The problem is only a part of bigger picture that he has in his mind. I think this fact that my brother told me is very correct.

So now I am trying to change. I am trying to improve my networking, ( I rarely keep any relationship, actually I have so many friends.but I never care to call them or be in touch), I am trying to improve my business acumen. Now I read a business newspaper every day. I am trying to improve my English, I concentrate on my job and trying to take it to the next level, I am trying to improve my physical fitness... etc etc... In a sense I am trying to get involved in lot of things and see that everything is going fine or I have a balanced life in all the different areas. Previously I was like... at any point in my life, I had only one aim/thinking that will occupy my mind. I will achieve that aim and then proceeds to another. During that time I wont think of anything else. I think that needs to be changed.

One more thing regarding networking. As I talk to my old friends and comes to know what they are doing. it's really interesting. Actually I am getting a lot of information on various subjects. so now I understand the importance of networking. I also gets motivated/inspired on some of their achievements.

Thus I hope, in one year's time I will see an improvement in myself and will take a decision. By God's grace my current job is going well.

ONE MORE THING. I study also each day... :)

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by Stacey Koprince » Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:25 pm
I think your brother is very right! He gave you excellent advice. And, if you do go to business school eventually, you will bring more to your application and get more out of business school if you already have some exposure to manager-type thinking and responsibilities.

Re: the GMAT, are you going to focus more on your career right now and then revisit the GMAT in the future? Or do you want to move forward with your GMAT studies right now?
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by tony4mba » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:32 pm
Hi Stacey... I am planning to revisit GMAT at a later point of time. I will be soon getting a chance to manage the projects in my current job. Hope it will help to improve my profile.