What GPA/GMAT is needed to get into a top 5 school?

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by cero57 » Thu May 21, 2009 11:28 am
Hi!

I'm from Turkey and have a question for you too :) I have a GPA of around 3,1 but even the top of my class has a 3,3-3,4 GPA! Does it make any difference when my GPA is being rated? I have an undergraduate International Relations degree, I will graduate this year and I'm planning on specializing on the International Business after some work experience of a couple of years. Is IR viewed as tough? :) And I should add that my college has the hardest curriculum of the country and it is well known for its difficulty. You said that the low GPAs from the Ivy League is taken into consideration, my college is one of the best schools on Int. Rl. in my country(similar to the Ivy), but it's definitely the toughest one! If it was in the USA, they would know which school was tougher, but do they have a system to know about the colleges from the other countries?? Or do I have to explain that to them?

If I get a high score at GMAT (+700) and with strong essays,recommendations, interview and the work experience, what are the chances of me being accepted to the UCLA? Thank you.

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by Lisa Anderson » Thu May 21, 2009 1:44 pm
Dear cero57,

Many schools are familiar with schools in other countries, so it is possible the business schools you apply to will know the rigor of your college. In terms of your work experience, it is not the industry or function you are in that matters as much as the quality of experience in your career by the time you apply. You will want to have progression and contributions/accomplishments you can highlight on your resume, in your essays, and in your interviews. If you do score in the 700s on your GMAT and gain some quality work experience, you do have a chance at UCLA assuming you put together a strong, overall application.

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by jprince » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:19 pm
Hi Lisa,

I just graduated from Boston University with a degree in Economics and Mathematics... 3.0 GPA (though I should note that my grades were generally better junior and senior year, after changing from a pre-med track). I have taken a few GMAT practice tests (Kaplan) and expect to score in the low 700s (700-740). I am currently working in an entry level position for a research and consulting firm where I work primarily in eHealth (Electronic medical record implementations and corresponding workflow redesign) and proposal development.

With 2-4 years experience at this job and some growth in terms of my role and responsibilities, combined with my GPA and test scores (and assuming that my essays and recommendations are consistent with these other factors), would it be unreasonable to shoot for a top 10 B-school? Top 20?

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by Lisa Anderson » Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:39 pm
Dear Josh,

Assuming you score in the 700s on the GMAT and gain some quality work experience by the time you apply to business school, I think it is reasonable for you to apply to top 20 programs. As with any applicant, it is important to have a mix of schools that you apply to--some stretch (i.e., top 10), some possible and some safety programs. Continue doing what you need to do and you should have a competitive foundation.

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by gabriel16 » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:12 am
Lisa,

Good morning. I hope this e-mail finds you well. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind taking a look at my current profile?

GMAT: 670
GPA: 3.0 (BA in economics (minor in sociology) from a top liberal arts college)
Work Experience: 4 years working for a global financial services company

Now that I am finished with my GMAT (seemingly) I am curious as to what type of schools you think I have a fighting chance gaining admittance to?

Thank you very much for all of you help. Keep up the good work.

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by Lisa Anderson » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:33 pm
Dear Gabe,

I encourage you to spend some time researching schools to determine which are the best fit for you and also where you have the best chance of gaining admission. The sticky on school selection might have some helpful tips for you as well. Generally, you are a competitive applicant for a program where your GPA and GMAT are at or above the average. Since decisions are made on more than the numbers, your professional work experience, recommendations, essays and interview will also play a critical role in the decision. Thus identifying schools where you are in a competitive range in terms of GPA/GMAT is the quickest way to identify potential options, but being high on those two measures does not guarantee admission.

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by Domnu » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:53 pm
Hi Lisa,

I'm currently a rising second year undergrad in an "Institute of Technology." I have a 4.0 and have prepared for the GMAT so that I can probably crack a 730 or 740 (hopefully when I apply, my score will be higher).

I'm doing computer science and mathematics at my college, where in CS, my school is in the top 10, and in mathematics, my school is in the top 30. I'm involved in my school's computer science magazine, where I consistently write articles. In addition, throughout my freshman year, I did physics-based research in quantum computing. This summer, I'm doing particle physics research at a top physics program in the US, which is extremely computer science oriented. (Initially, I was a physics+cs major, but decided to go more towards math+cs)

This semester, I'm taking the most challenging classes that I can without imploding and I will be doing research in artificial intelligence.

Given the above and my goal, that I want to get into HBS (hopefully the 2+2 program targeted at college juniors), could you answer my questions?

- What can I do to improve my chances of getting into a top business school? Should I become more involved in "non-research" which is more people-oriented like my magazine club?

- What should I be doing over the summers? Should I go for something a bit more practical... like an internship? Or should I just stick with doing research?

- Should I try and focus more on one topic (math+cs) or should I try and diversify (do internships AND research as opposed to just one?)

- Generally, what should I be doing right now?

Thanks very much for your time!
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by Lisa Anderson » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:28 am
Dear Domnu,

As you are completing your degree, the best thing you can do to make your future business school applications competitive is to continue pursuing opportunities to build your skill set. On top of high grades and a high GMAT score, you will also need to have some leadership and teamwork experiences to write about in your essays. It is not so much what you do, research versus corporate, but how you contribute to the organization you work with/for. Since you have been doing research, it might be good to broaden your experience with a more practical application of your skills in a company. Ideally, you should pursue an opportunity in the industry and/or functional area you might wish to pursue in the future. I also think getting more involved with the magazine, specifically in a leadership position, would be helpful.

Keep at it and I commend you for thinking so far in advance.

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by HumbleMe » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:45 am
Hi Stacey,

Thanks for a very informative thread...

I hold a MS and PhD from France... While a Bachelor from Pakistan... As it is clear from the thread, it is difficult to compare/convert %age values to GPA as it depends on lots of factors.... (From my university in Pakistan, we were based on %ages and our final year %age was considered the most important one: 78 % ). In France, from MS, we are scored from a scale of (0-20) , A score above 14 is considered "bien": Good while a score above 16 is considered "tres bien": very good. I was among top stuident of my MS and scored 15.2 ). Again, PhD in France is not graded. It is either "good","very good" or "exceptional". You don't get "exceptional" unless you come up with a ground breaking result. You don't get "good" unless you kept on sleeping during your PhD and your advisor wasn't happy at all by your performance... Lastly, levels of these grades vary from university to university just like the way GPA varies from one university to other...

I was wondering, how admission committees can come up with a comparative score in such complications. Do I need to explain this fact in my essays to explain what my GPA/score means for all of my degrees. And what were my other achievements in terms of project based work, final year project which actually resulted being used up in a start up etc.)

Any ideas...

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by Lisa Anderson » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:57 am
Dear HumbleMe,

Business schools receive applications with transcripts from many different countries, so the admissions office is familiar with the differences in grading systems. If you feel it necessary, you can certainly include an explanation of the grading systems or you can send your transcripts to a credentialing service for conversion/translation. If you transcripts are not in English, then you will need to have them translated for US business schools. As for your achievements, they are what you believe your achievements to be. If you led a successful team or completed a successful project, then those are certainly some achievements to include in your essays.

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by shruti.bittu » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:01 pm
Hi,
I gave the GMAT a few days back and scored 720 (VA - 36, QA - 51)
and AWA 4.

I am thinking of giving the exam again because of the dismal AWA score.
Could anyone suggest me if this would be the right strategy ?

I've about 3 years of quality workex, decent acads and extra curr and thinking of applying to some of the US B schools (top most as well as middle ones).

I am currently in a dilemma whether I should retake the GMAT to improve my AWA and overall score. (AWA is the main concern).

Will be really thankful if you could provide some suggestions.

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by Lisa Anderson » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:13 pm
Dear Shruti,

I would not retake the GMAT just to try to improve your AWA. You have a strong total score and it is possible you will not score as high on the next attempt. Since business schools will use your highest total score, it is possible it will be the GMAT attempt you currently have. Your essays demonstrate your writing skills and your interview demonstrates your verbal communication ability, so you will have the opportunity to show the schools your verbal skills in more meaningful ways than the AWA.

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by shruti.bittu » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:56 pm
Hi Lisa,

Thanks a lot for the reply..

I have decided not to retake the exam..

I've a couple of more queries..will be really thankful if you could resolve these as well -->

1)I am thinking of getting the AWA section regraded..Do you think that would be fine ? What's the procedure for the same and can it lead to an even lower score after regrading ?

2)Some people have suggested me to take the TOEFL and score well in the essays to compensate for AWA...since my medium of college education was english, I don't need to write the TOEFL, shall I just write the TOEFL for this reason ? (I am an Indian candidate)

Thanks a lot for the help..

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by bhatt_devang » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:48 am
Dear Stacy/ Lisa,

I am currently a senior in a State University which has a good local reputation and is AACSB accredited, expected to graduate May 2010 with a BS in Business Administration- Finance concentraition and a minor in Economics with an expected GPA of ~3.7

I am currently serving the United States Army in the reserves as a Financial Management Technician as a Sergeant.

I plan to take and pass at least till CFA level 2 before I apply to Business grad school.

I also plan to crack FINRA series 7 and series 66 on Investments before I apply.

I was a distinguished graduate in my military AIT (Advanced Individual Training) which was a Finance Corps School.

I plan to take the GMAT in 2011 and have already started studying for it and am confident to get ~770- 780 (I am giving it 2 hours of prep time every day).

My question is- What are my chances of getting into NYU Stern or Columbia University (Both are top 10, more importantly- Goldman Sachs recruits primarily from these schools), the reason why I ask is that the only things that are holding me down are my expected GPA which would be at least a 3.6 but not more than 3.7 from a AACSB accredited State U- which top B schools look down upon, and my work experience. As I graduate in 2010, I want to be enrolled in 2012 with a couple of years of professional work experience.

Is this do-able, and what are my chances? I can provide excellent essays and top letters of recommendations from my University Dean and very high ranking officers in the military... Please help me out, I am losing my sleep over this for quite some time now


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by Lisa Anderson » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:59 pm
Dear Shruti,

I would not waste resources to get your AWA regraded as I don't think it is a large concern. If you do decide to do that, then you would need to go back through the testing service. As for the TOEFL, you probably will have to take it if you plan to apply to US business schools. It is generally a requirement for citizens from India. A high TOEFL score, in addition to well-written essays and a good interview, will be enough to demonstrate your English verbal skills.

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Dear Devang,

If your cumulative GPA ends up between a 3.6 and a 3.7, then your GPA will be within range for your target schools. Business schools do not look down on state schools, so that should not be a concern. If you also have a GMAT above a 720, then you will be in a strong competitive position on the academic measures of GPA and GMAT. Since admissions decisions are based on more than the numbers, your essays, recommendations, and interviews are also critical to the ultimate decision. These components give you another chance to make your case for a seat in the class. Be sure to convey your successful leadership and teamwork experiences in your essays as well as a solid rationale for getting your MBA in relation to your past experiences and future career goals.

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