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Number Line Problem

by la1214 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:02 pm
Hello,

Here is the trouble problem for the day-
On the number line shown, is zero halfway between r and s?

(1) s is to the right of zero.

(2) The distance between t and r is the same as the distance between t and -s.

I cant paste the problem completely but here is the link to the problem-

https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2011/01/ ... ry-problem
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by Bill@VeritasPrep » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:47 pm
Do you have a specific question? Stacey did a pretty thorough job with it.
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by la1214 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:49 am
I read the article a couple of times but could not understand the explanation completely :(

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by Bill@VeritasPrep » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:36 am
Is it the example that proves Statement 2 insufficient? Here's how I looked at it.

"(2) The distance between t and r is the same as the distance between t and -s."

We can do this one by picking numbers. Let's say that t=6 and r=-2. With a distance of 8 between t and r, t and -s must have a distance of 8 as well. This means that -s could be -2 or 14, making s either 2 or 14. If s=2, then zero is indeed halfway between r and s. S cannot actually be 14 here because it violates the diagram that we are given (r < s < t).

What if t=-1 and r=-6? The distance is now 5, which mean -s could be -6 or 4, making s either 6 (which violates the diagram) or -4 (which fits the diagram and says that zero is NOT halfway between s and r).

Thus, Statement 2 is insufficient.
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by la1214 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:24 pm
Thanks Mitch. I did not understand how we concluded that a<b on the number line( From your explanation-Statement 2)-

Since a<b on the number line, a-b<0.
Thus, c<0, implying that all 3 values in case 2 are negative:
a<b<c<0.

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by GMATGuruNY » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:26 am
la1214 wrote:Thanks Mitch. I did not understand how we concluded that a<b on the number line( From your explanation-Statement 2)-

Since a<b on the number line, a-b<0.
Thus, c<0, implying that all 3 values in case 2 are negative:
a<b<c<0.
Here's the post:
On the number line shown, is zero halfway between a and b


<-----------------a---------b----c----------->

1) b is to the right of zero.
2) The distance between c and a is the same as the distance between c and -b.
HALFWAY BETWEEN two values is equal to the AVERAGE of the two values.
For the average of a and b to be 0, their SUM must be 0.

Question rephrased: Does a+b = 0?

Statement 1: b>0.
No information about a.
INSUFFICIENT.

Statement 2: The distance between c and a is the same as the distance between c and -b.
The DISTANCE between x and y = |x-y|.
Thus:
|c-a| = |c-(-b)|
|c-a| = |c+b|

Case 1:
c-a = c+b
0 = a+b.

Case 2:
a-c = c+b
a-b = 2c
c = (a-b)/2.
Since a<b on the number line, a-b<0.
Thus, c<0, implying that all 3 values in case 2 are negative:
a<b<c<0.

Since in the first case a+b=0, and in the second case a+b<0,
INSUFFICIENT.

Statements 1 and 2 combined:
Since b>0, case 2 is not possible.
Thus, only case 1 is possible, implying that a+b=0.
SUFFICIENT.

The correct answer is C.

A further exploration of Case 2:
Since c = (a-b)/2 and c>b, we get:
(a-b)/2 > b
a-b > 2b
a > 3b.
Since in case 2 a<b<c<0, the following combination of values would work:
b=-2, a=-4, c = (-4 - (-2))/2 = -1.
The distance between c=-1 and a=-4 is 3, and the distance between c=-1 and -b=2 is 3.
When the GMAT shows points on a number line, they are in the order shown unless the problem indicates otherwise.
From LEFT TO RIGHT, points on a number line INCREASE in value.
<-----------------a---------b----c----------->
The number line here indicates that a<b<c.
In Statement 2, Case 2, c = (a-b)/2.
Since a<b, a-b<0, implying that c<0.
Since c is to the left of 0, and a and b must be to the left of c, all three points -- a, b and c -- must be to the left of 0.
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by la1214 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:19 am
Thank you so much for the super clear explanation!