Comma Splice

[Tega1984]

Can anyone help me out with this one?

The people of the ancient Assyrian Empire were renowned warriors, although they also crafted some of the best-preserved ancient art.

A) were renowned warriors, although they also crafted
B) had been renowned warriors, although they also crafted
C) were renowned warriors, and also crafted
D) was renowned warriors, although they also crafted
E) were renowned warriors, but also crafting

The correct answer is A but what is wrong with C? They say that there's a comma splice mistake in C, but how is it a comma splice when there is a coordinating conjunction AND after the comma?

[Tani]

I would prefer A because of the logic. The sentence seems to be pointing out a contrast between warriors and artists. "Although" emphasizes that while "and" ignores it.

[Tega1984]

So basically the main thing here is the logic not comma splice?

I would prefer A because of the logic. The sentence seems to be pointing out a contrast between warriors and artists. "Although" emphasizes that while "and" ignores it.

[atulmangal]

I would prefer A because of the logic. The sentence seems to be pointing out a contrast between warriors and artists. "Although" emphasizes that while "and" ignores it.

@Tani, a basic question, this confuses me a lot so please help me with this once and for all.

I have seen this concept in some tutorials that COMMA + FANBOYS should be used to connect Independent Clauses only. If you are connecting two clause, using a FANBOY word, where one clause is NOT an Independent Clause, then DO NOT use COMMA before the FANBOY word. Is this rule correct??? Please help...

I'm sure about this rule that, one of the way to connect 2 Independent Clauses is using COMMA + FANBOY, But m not sure about the rule i mentioned above. So please please help with that...

In this question, if we apply above rule then straight away OP C is wrong as it is using COMMA + AND to connect an Independent Clause with a NON-Independent Clause....

I understand you didn't reject Op C because of the violation of this rule...You thought in terms of meaning that a contrast is needed and "Although" is creating that contrast perfectly.

[smackmartine]

Tega1984,

Whenever you see ",and " you have to make sure that both sides of ",and" have complete sentence/s. For the same reason option C is incorrect.

Hope this helps!

[atulmangal]

Tega1984,

Whenever you see ",and " you have to make sure that both sides of ",and" have complete sentence/s. For the same reason option C is incorrect.

Hope this helps!

@smackmartine

Thats what i asked from @tani....why becoz i remember in many cases i haven't found this rule applicable...

[smackmartine]

@atulmangal :
I understand. Even I have faced similar issues many a times. But then I found that when we use ",and " for describing items (that could be in the form of two/more clauses) of a list, the RULE COMMA+FANBOYS does n't apply.

Tega1984,

Whenever you see ",and " you have to make sure that both sides of ",and" have complete sentence/s. For the same reason option C is incorrect.

Hope this helps!

@smackmartine

Thats what i asked from @tani....why becoz i remember in many cases i haven't found this rule applicable...

[atulmangal]

@atulmangal :
I understand. Even I have faced similar issues many a times. But then I found that when we use ",and " for describing items (that could be in the form of two/more clauses) of a list, the RULE COMMA+FANBOYS does n't apply.

Tega1984,

Whenever you see ",and " you have to make sure that both sides of ",and" have complete sentence/s. For the same reason option C is incorrect.

Hope this helps!

@smackmartine

Thats what i asked from @tani....why becoz i remember in many cases i haven't found this rule applicable...

Got your point bro, and thanks for that but as u see @Tani's explanation, she said that she pick Op A over Op C because of logic...so didn't pick that same point what we thought...thats why lets wait and watch, what she say!

[Tega1984]

So basically if there was no comma before "and" in option C it would be grammatically correct right?

[atulmangal]

So basically if there was no comma before "and" in option C it would be grammatically correct right?

For the answer of this question only, m waiting for Tani's answer..

[Tega1984]

Lets wait for it

[catseye]

Can anyone help me out with this one?

The people of the ancient Assyrian Empire were renowned warriors, although they also crafted some of the best-preserved ancient art.

A) were renowned warriors, although they also crafted
B) had been renowned warriors, although they also crafted
C) were renowned warriors, and also crafted
D) was renowned warriors, although they also crafted
E) were renowned warriors, but also crafting

The correct answer is A but what is wrong with C? They say that there's a comma splice mistake in C, but how is it a comma splice when there is a coordinating conjunction AND after the comma?

If one subject has two verbs, we need not use COMMA before the second verb.

Example:

I have worked hard and won the prize.--correct.
I have worked hard, and won the prize.---Incorrect.

Come to the sentence:
The people were renowned warriors, and crafted. ---incorrect.

The subject, people, has two verbs--were and crafted.We should not use COMMA before the second verb.

Again, we are not required to use COMMA + AND in case of a list of two things.

Example:

I need X and Y.--correct.
I need X, and Y. --incorrect.

Thanks.

[Tega1984]

Thanks very much to all of you

[atulmangal]

Can anyone help me out with this one?

The people of the ancient Assyrian Empire were renowned warriors, although they also crafted some of the best-preserved ancient art.

A) were renowned warriors, although they also crafted
B) had been renowned warriors, although they also crafted
C) were renowned warriors, and also crafted
D) was renowned warriors, although they also crafted
E) were renowned warriors, but also crafting

The correct answer is A but what is wrong with C? They say that there's a comma splice mistake in C, but how is it a comma splice when there is a coordinating conjunction AND after the comma?

If one subject has two verbs, we need not use COMMA before the second verb.

Example:

I have worked hard and won the prize.--correct.
I have worked hard, and won the prize.---Incorrect.

Come to the sentence:
The people were renowned warriors, and crafted. ---incorrect.

The subject, people, has two verbs--were and crafted.We should not use COMMA before the second verb.

Again, we are not required to use COMMA + AND in case of a list of two things.

Example:

I need X and Y.--correct.
I need X, and Y. --incorrect.

Thanks.

Follow the link and check the problem from GMAT-Prep, the correct Op C, i think doesn't hold what u have stated above in your post.
here is the link
https://www.beatthegmat.com/gmat-prep-sc ... tml#361251

[GMATMadeEasy]

@atulmangal: Could you give the examples of sentences that you are not clear regarding , + FanBOYS rule ?

I can help you there may be but I want to be sure of your doubt. Do you refer Manhattan SC 4th edition ? It has the things you are looking before.

C has couple of problems :

were renowned warriors, and also crafted

1. comma is unnecessary
2. AND is incorrect as it does not suggest intended meaning.



1. when second independent clause shares the same subject as first one and the subject is not repeated, you don't use comma in second IC. (only true when connector is AND)

The people of the ancient Assyrian Empire were renowned warriors and won many wars . (correct)
The people of the ancient Assyrian Empire were renowned warriors, and won many wars . (Incorrect)
The people of the ancient Assyrian Empire were renowned warriors, and they were also great lovers . (correct)

The people of the ancient Assyrian Empire were renowned warriors, but they were never successfull with women. (correct)