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by Crystal W » Wed May 18, 2016 7:40 pm
Along the major rivers that traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the middle East, and northwest India, the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in at least 6,000 years.

　　(A) good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in

　　(B) good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured for

　　(C) of good growing conditions have encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endured for

　　(D) of good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured

　　(E) of good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, been enduring for
I have a question about the present perfect and the present perfect progressive. Is that GMAT asks us to differentiate these two tenses? Or we just cut off the choice according to other mistakes? The OG's explanation of Choice E said " The use of the present perfect progressive have been enduring is not grammatically incorrect, but it is rhetorically inappropriate and sounds exaggerated." I believe these two tenses all reflect the action happened in the past but last to present or has the influence to the present. Am I right?
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by GMATGuruNY » Thu May 19, 2016 2:54 am
Crystal W wrote:
　　(E) of good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, been enduring for

I have a question about the present perfect and the present perfect progressive. Is that GMAT asks us to differentiate these two tenses? Or we just cut off the choice according to other mistakes? The OG's explanation of Choice E said " The use of the present perfect progressive have been enduring is not grammatically incorrect, but it is rhetorically inappropriate and sounds exaggerated." I believe these two tenses all reflect the action happened in the past but last to present or has the influence to the present. Am I right?
Thanks in advance!
The purpose of a PROGRESSIVE TENSE -- a tense that includes a VERBing -- is to express CONTINUOUS ACTION:
John has been standing for 10 hours.
Conveyed meaning:
John has CONTINUOUSLY stood for 10 hours.

To endure means TO CONTINUE TO EXIST.
E: traditions that have been enduring for at least 6,000 years
Conveyed meaning:
traditions that have CONTINUOUSLY CONTINUED TO EXIST for at least 6,000 years.
The conveyed meaning is redundant.
Eliminate E.
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by jain2016 » Thu May 19, 2016 3:39 am
Hi GMATGuruNY ,

Can you please also advise the use of HAVE in option B.

What I understood is that traditions that have continued to exist for at least 6,000 years and it still in the present.

Please explain and correct me.

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by thang » Thu May 19, 2016 4:13 am
some verbs showing the state, or condition are seldom used in progressive tense, one of them "endure" .

this rule is basic but so hard that we seldom succeed on this point.

declaration of grammar rules is simple. but application of grammar rules is harder. we should learn the grammar rule in the way to apply them. the excelent teacher of english is the persons who can teach further into the application of the rules.

comming back to question. whenever we do not have clear reason to use "doing", dont use it. simple and clear and deep.
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by Crystal W » Thu May 19, 2016 4:39 am
jain2016 wrote:Hi GMATGuruNY ,

Can you please also advise the use of HAVE in option B.

What I understood is that traditions that have continued to exist for at least 6,000 years and it still in the present.

Please explain and correct me.

Thanks ,

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I believe you are right and this action is last to present so we use the present perfect.
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by GMATGuruNY » Thu May 19, 2016 8:52 am
jain2016 wrote:Hi GMATGuruNY ,

Can you please also advise the use of HAVE in option B.

What I understood is that traditions that have continued to exist for at least 6,000 years and it still in the present.

Please explain and correct me.

Thanks ,

SJ
One purpose of the present perfect (have + VERBed) is to express an action that began in the past and continues in the present.
OA: traditions that have endured for at least 6,000 years
Here, the usage of have endured implies the following:
The traditions continued to exist in the past -- for at least 6,000 years -- and they continue to exist in the present.
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by evs.teja » Fri May 20, 2016 1:14 am
Crystal W wrote:Along the major rivers that traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the middle East, and northwest India, the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in at least 6,000 years.

　　(A) good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in

　　(B) good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured for

　　(C) of good growing conditions have encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endured for

　　(D) of good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured

　　(E) of good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, been enduring for
I have a question about the present perfect and the present perfect progressive. Is that GMAT asks us to differentiate these two tenses? Or we just cut off the choice according to other mistakes? The OG's explanation of Choice E said " The use of the present perfect progressive have been enduring is not grammatically incorrect, but it is rhetorically inappropriate and sounds exaggerated." I believe these two tenses all reflect the action happened in the past but last to present or has the influence to the present. Am I right?
Thanks in advance!
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by Crystal W » Fri May 20, 2016 1:19 am
evs.teja wrote:
Crystal W wrote:Along the major rivers that traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the middle East, and northwest India, the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in at least 6,000 years.

　　(A) good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in

　　(B) good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured for

　　(C) of good growing conditions have encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endured for

　　(D) of good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured

　　(E) of good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, been enduring for
I have a question about the present perfect and the present perfect progressive. Is that GMAT asks us to differentiate these two tenses? Or we just cut off the choice according to other mistakes? The OG's explanation of Choice E said " The use of the present perfect progressive have been enduring is not grammatically incorrect, but it is rhetorically inappropriate and sounds exaggerated." I believe these two tenses all reflect the action happened in the past but last to present or has the influence to the present. Am I right?
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OA is B
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by evs.teja » Fri May 20, 2016 2:03 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:
Crystal W wrote:
　　(E) of good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, been enduring for

I have a question about the present perfect and the present perfect progressive. Is that GMAT asks us to differentiate these two tenses? Or we just cut off the choice according to other mistakes? The OG's explanation of Choice E said " The use of the present perfect progressive have been enduring is not grammatically incorrect, but it is rhetorically inappropriate and sounds exaggerated." I believe these two tenses all reflect the action happened in the past but last to present or has the influence to the present. Am I right?
Thanks in advance!
The purpose of a PROGRESSIVE TENSE -- a tense that includes a VERBing -- is to express CONTINUOUS ACTION:
John has been standing for 10 hours.
Conveyed meaning:
John has CONTINUOUSLY stood for 10 hours.

To endure means TO CONTINUE TO EXIST.
E: traditions that have been enduring for at least 6,000 years
Conveyed meaning:
traditions that have CONTINUOUSLY CONTINUED TO EXIST for at least 6,000 years.
The conveyed meaning is redundant.
Eliminate E.
Thank you sir for the in-depth explanation,
but I eliminated this option because of the use of of
Shouldn't it be :-The combination of X and Y.
OR
Is this sentence correct as well ?
"The combination of X and of Y"
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by GMATGuruNY » Fri May 20, 2016 3:33 am
evs.teja wrote: Thank you sir for the in-depth explanation,
but I eliminated this option because of the use of of
Shouldn't it be :-The combination of X and Y.
OR
Is this sentence correct as well ?
"The combination of X and of Y"
Thanks
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