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by kevincanspain » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:45 am
sanju09 wrote:∣(x + 1)/(x - 1)∣ < 4; x ≠ 1.

What is the solution to the above inequality?
(A) x < 3.5, x > 5.3
(B) x < 3/5, x > 5/3
(C) 3.5 < x < 5.3
(D) 3/5 < x < 5/3
(E) 0 < x < 3/5
Squaring both sides

(x +1)^2/(x - 1)^2 < 16

x^2 + 2x + 1 < 16(x^2 - 2x + 1) =16x^2 -32x +16

15x^2 - 34x + 15 > 0
(15x - 9)(15x - 25)/15 > 0
(5x - 3)(3x - 5) > 0

x < 3/5 or x > 5/3

Alternatively,

If x <= -1 , x+1 =< 0 and x -1 < 0
Thus |x + 1| = - (x + 1) and |x - 1| = -(x - 1)

so we get (x+1)/(x -1) < 4

x+1 > 4(x - 1) =4x - 4 remembering to change the inequality sign as x - 1 < 0

3x < 5
x < 5/3

Thus x < -1 satisfies the above inequality

If -1 < x < 1

(x + 1)/(1 - x) < 4
x+1 < 4(1-x) = 4 - 4x

5x < 3
x < 3/5

If x > 1

(x+1)/(x - 1) < 4
x + 1 < 4x - 4
3x > 5
x > 5/3

Choose B
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by happyzzim » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:39 pm
@rockeyb
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(x+1)/(x-1) < 4

x+1 < 4x - 4
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At above, when you are sure that (x-1) >= 0, you can do so...
I think that is because kevincanspain wants to square the both sides.

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by kidcorpo » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:42 am
kevincanspain wrote: (5x - 3)(3x - 5) > 0

x < 3/5 or x > 5/3
Please excuse the elementary question, but I am getting stuck at this very spot. I understand everything beforehand easily.

Without seeing your answer, I would have done the following:

(5x - 3)(3x - 5) > 0

Root1: 5x - 3 > 0 ------- 5x > 3 ------- x > 3/5
Root2: 3x - 5 > 0 ------- 3x > 5 ------- x > 5/3

Therefore, I would have x > 3/5 and x > 5/3 as my roots.

What am I doing wrong here? There must be an obvious rule I am missing!

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by sanju09 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:22 am
kidcorpo wrote:
kevincanspain wrote: (5x - 3)(3x - 5) > 0

x < 3/5 or x > 5/3
Please excuse the elementary question, but I am getting stuck at this very spot. I understand everything beforehand easily.

Without seeing your answer, I would have done the following:

(5x - 3)(3x - 5) > 0

Root1: 5x - 3 > 0 ------- 5x > 3 ------- x > 3/5
Root2: 3x - 5 > 0 ------- 3x > 5 ------- x > 5/3

Therefore, I would have x > 3/5 and x > 5/3 as my roots.

What am I doing wrong here? There must be an obvious rule I am missing!
If x > a and x > b, such that a < b, then the surest interval for x that must be taken as correct is "x > b".

If x < a and x < b, such that a > b, then the surest interval for x that must be taken as correct is "x < b".
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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:57 am
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kevincanspain wrote: (5x - 3)(3x - 5) > 0

x < 3/5 or x > 5/3
Please excuse the elementary question, but I am getting stuck at this very spot. I understand everything beforehand easily.

Without seeing your answer, I would have done the following:

(5x - 3)(3x - 5) > 0

Root1: 5x - 3 > 0 ------- 5x > 3 ------- x > 3/5
Root2: 3x - 5 > 0 ------- 3x > 5 ------- x > 5/3

Therefore, I would have x > 3/5 and x > 5/3 as my roots.

What am I doing wrong here? There must be an obvious rule I am missing!
You are only considering one case; when we combine quadratics and inequalities, we must consider two cases.

Let's reason it out: if the product of the two terms is positive, then there are two options - either both brackets are positive or both brackets are negative.

Case 1 (both positive):

5x -3 > 0 AND 3x - 5 > 0

5x > 3 AND 3x > 5

x > 3/5 AND x > 5/3

When we have two inequalities facing in the same direction, and they must both be true, we only need to pay attention to the more limiting (i.e. extreme) inequality.

So, from Case 1 we know that x > 5/3.

Case 2 (both negative):

x -3 < 0 AND 3x - 5 < 0

5x < 3 AND 3x < 5

x < 3/5 AND x < 5/3

Again, we have two inequalities facing in the same direction, and both must be true; accordingly, we only pay attention to the more limiting inequality.

So, from Case 2, we know that x < 3/5.

Since the two cases are ALTERNATIVES, we conclude that:

x < 3/5 OR x > 5/3 ... choose (B).

Because this type of problem has a lot of places to make mistakes, it's a great idea to double check your solution by plugging back into the original inequality. For example, if papgust (sorry to pick on you!) had plugged in x = 1.1 (a number inside his range), he would have gotten:

|2.1/.1| < 4

21 < 4

which is clearly not true, showing that there was an error.

Of course, we could have also attacked this question by working directly with the choices and eliminating those that violated the original condition.
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by rockeyb » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:03 am
Stuart you are my man .

Excellent explanation , and now I understand why I got the values x>3/5 and x>5/3 and not the other extreme that is the - ve case .

But I have a question here and this extract is from MGMAT book Equations , Inequalities , and VIC's .
Ex : if |x-2| = |2x-3 | , what are the possible values of x ?

Now this is the explanation they have given "Because there are two absolute value expressions each of which yields two algebraic case it seems that we have to test four cases overall positive/positive , positive/negative , negative/positive , and negative / negative.
(1)(x-2) = (2x-3)
(2)(x-2) = -(2x-3)
(3)-(x-2) = (2x-3)
(4)-(x-2) = -(2x-3)

However , note that case (1) and case (4) yield the same equation. Likewise case (2) and case (3) yield the same equation. Thus you only need to consider only two cases : one in which neither expression change sign , and another in which one expression change sign

Case A : Same sign
(x-2) = (2x-3)

Case B : Different Sign
(x-2) = -(2x -3 )"
Now why do we have to consider only two case that is one with same sign and one with different signs in the above example and it works ?

Where as in the example that we are discussing

(5x - 3)(3x - 5) > 0

Root1: 5x - 3 > 0 ------- 5x > 3 ------- x > 3/5
Root2: 3x - 5 > 0 ------- 3x > 5 ------- x > 5/3

Why do we have to consider even the both +ve and both -ve cases ?
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by kidcorpo » Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:45 am
Stuart Kovinsky wrote:Explanation
Perfect explanation. Couldn't be clearer - thanks a ton!

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by crackthetest » Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:38 am
here is the way I solved it and hoped for an corrected answer down below, but didn't find. Maybe the answer choices have typo.

1) Positive case:

x+1/x-1 < 4
x+1<4x-4
0<3x-5
5/3 < x


2) Negative case:
(-1) x+1/x-1 < 4

-x-1/x-1 < 4
-x-1<4x-4
0<5x-3
3/5 < x

we get, x > 5/3 and x > 3/5. Hence x>3/5 covers all choices.

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by rockeyb » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:08 am
@crackthetest

You are making the same mistake that I did ,read carefully my previous post and also Stuart's post you get to learn some thing new .

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by crackthetest » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:26 am
I am trying to solve this without squaring, just so that I arrive at the same conclusion.

Can someone solve this without squaring?

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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:43 am
rockeyb wrote:
Ex : if |x-2| = |2x-3 | , what are the possible values of x ?

Now this is the explanation they have given "Because there are two absolute value expressions each of which yields two algebraic case it seems that we have to test four cases overall positive/positive , positive/negative , negative/positive , and negative / negative.
(1)(x-2) = (2x-3)
(2)(x-2) = -(2x-3)
(3)-(x-2) = (2x-3)
(4)-(x-2) = -(2x-3)

However , note that case (1) and case (4) yield the same equation. Likewise case (2) and case (3) yield the same equation. Thus you only need to consider only two cases : one in which neither expression change sign , and another in which one expression change sign

Case A : Same sign
(x-2) = (2x-3)

Case B : Different Sign
(x-2) = -(2x -3 )"
Now why do we have to consider only two case that is one with same sign and one with different signs in the above example and it works ?

Where as in the example that we are discussing

(5x - 3)(3x - 5) > 0

Root1: 5x - 3 > 0 ------- 5x > 3 ------- x > 3/5
Root2: 3x - 5 > 0 ------- 3x > 5 ------- x > 5/3

Why do we have to consider even the both +ve and both -ve cases ?
The biggest difference is that one is an equation and one is an inequality.

In an equation, we know that the two sides are equal - this makes life much simpler.

In an inequality, we solve for a range of values. We also have to be very careful of manipulating negatives, since whenever we multiply or divide both sides by a negative, we have to reverse the inequality.

In the MGMAT question that you posted, the issue isn't that there are only 2 cases; it's that there are 2 pairs of identical cases.

Looking at a simpler example:

|x| = |y|

We could break it down into 4 cases:

(1) +x = +y
(2) -x = -y
(3) +x = -y
(4) -x = +y

However, we see that if we multiply both sides of case (2) by -1, we get:

-(-x) = -(-y)

which simplifies to:

x = y

which is, of course, case (1).

Similarly, if we multiply both sides of case (4) by -1, we end up with case (3).

With inequalities, it's not as simple, since if we multiply both sides of an inequality by -1, we must flip the inequality to face the other direction.
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by rockeyb » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:34 pm
Stuart ,

Thanks man that was really an excellent reply .

@crackthetest , buddy you are again going the same path that I have walked , the answers dont have a typo ;) .

But here is the catch and thanks to Stuart I now understand why I have arrived at the solution 5/3 < x and 3/5 <x which eventually means 5/3<x .

Here is the catch :

The basic rule when you remove the mod operator is that you have to consider 4 cases :

positive/positive , positive/negative , negative/positive , and negative / negative.

But if the problem you have is an equation

ex : |x| = |y|

Then the cases will be

(1) x= y
(2) x= -y
(3) -x= y
(4)- x= -y

Now if you compare case 2 and 3 they complement each other and if we multiply case 2 by -1 we get case 3 .

Similarly if we compare case 1 and 4 they too complement each other and if we multiply case 4 by -1 we get case 1 .

NOTE : since we have an "=" sign we dont have to bother much about flipping the sign and basically case we need only to solve just two cases

(1) Same sign x=y
(2) Different sign x= -y

and this will give us the final answer .

But is the problem is and inequality with variables watch out . Reason being

Ex :
(1) x> y
(2) x> -y
(3) -x>y
(4)- x> -y

case 1 and 4 are not complementary now , if we multiply case 4 by - 1 we get x < y and not x > y that is case 1.
(flip the sign when multiplying or dividing by -ve number)

Similarly case 2 and 3 are not complementary .

So when faced with inequality always solve for 4 cases .

NOTE : this rule is to applied when you remove mod operator from both sides of inequality . If you have mod operator on just one side of inequality then solve for just two cases .

So coming back to the problem we were discussing we need to consider 4 cases :

1) Positive / positive case:

x+1/x-1 < 4
x+1<4x-4
0<3x-5
5/3 < x

2) Positive/ negative case case:

x+1/x-1 < - 4
x+1 <-4x+4
5x<3
x<3/5

3) Negative/Positive case:

- (x+1/x-1) < 4
-(x+1)< 4x-4
3<5x
3/5 < x

4) Negative/ Negative case:

-(x+1)/x-1 < -4
-x-1< -4x+4
3x < 5
x < 5/3


So we have now 4 values of x , they are

x < 5/3 and x < 3/5 ; x> 3/5 and x>5/3

Now in x<5/3 and x<3/5 , x<3/5 is more limiting . Also in x> 3/5 and x>5/3 , x>5/3 is more limiting .

So we have two limiting values for x as x < 3/5 and x >5/3 .

As you can see this is a long process and chances of making a mistake are many so better method will be to square both sides as suggested by sanju09

(x +1)^2/(x - 1)^2 < 16

x^2 + 2x + 1 < 16(x^2 - 2x + 1) =16x^2 -32x +16

15x^2 - 34x + 15 > 0
(15x - 9)(15x - 25)/15 > 0
(5x - 3)(3x - 5) > 0

But the point to note here , as Stuart explains
if the product of the two terms is positive, then there are two options - either both brackets are positive or both brackets are negative.

Case 1 (both positive):

5x -3 > 0 AND 3x - 5 > 0

5x > 3 AND 3x > 5

x > 3/5 AND x > 5/3

When we have two inequalities facing in the same direction, and they must both be true, we only need to pay attention to the more limiting (i.e. extreme) inequality.

So, from Case 1 we know that x > 5/3.

Case 2 (both negative):

x -3 < 0 AND 3x - 5 < 0

5x < 3 AND 3x < 5

x < 3/5 AND x < 5/3

Again, we have two inequalities facing in the same direction, and both must be true; accordingly, we only pay attention to the more limiting inequality.

So, from Case 2, we know that x < 3/5.

Since the two cases are ALTERNATIVES, we conclude that:

x < 3/5 OR x > 5/3 ... choose (B).

Because this type of problem has a lot of places to make mistakes, it's a great idea to double check your solution by plugging back into the original inequality. For example, if papgust (sorry to pick on you!) had plugged in x = 1.1 (a number inside his range), he would have gotten:

|2.1/.1| < 4

21 < 4

which is clearly not true, showing that there was an error.

Of course, we could have also attacked this question by working directly with the choices and eliminating those that violated the original condition.

Well then that sumps up every thing , thanks a lot to you all for your contribution specially Stuart for your input , I hope this helps others too.
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