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by sameerballani » Fri May 27, 2011 3:16 am
Although new farm subsidy legislation is presently being considered in the House of representatives,significant revision is to be expected if it is to be passed.

A) significant revision is to be expected if it is to be passed.
B) they do not expect it passing without significant revision.
C) they do not expect it passing without it being significantly revised.
D) it is not expected to pass without it being significantly revised.
E) it is not expected to pass without significant revisison.

[spoiler]OA:E[/spoiler]
Source:Kaplan

Can someone help me out by explaining how to eliminate all wrong choices here.
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I got correct answer merely on the basis of one rule that i had studied in Manhattan SC guide. My approach was more based on intuition, so i am looking for some good explanation.

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by itsmebharat » Fri May 27, 2011 5:55 am
The answer E is correct but how A is wrong, can someone please explain? Correct me if I am wrong, option A is wrong because of "it" is not referencing to new farm subsidy legislation.

A) significant revision is to be expected if it is to be passed.
B) they do not expect it passing without significant revision.
C) they do not expect it passing without it being significantly revised.
D) it is not expected to pass without it being significantly revised.
E) it is not expected to pass without significant revisison.
I am not an Expert, please feel free to suggest if there is an error.
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by sourabh33 » Fri May 27, 2011 6:02 am
Because, both although and if are used in the same sentence. IMO use of multiple contrasting words for the same situation may not be correct.
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by sameerballani » Fri May 27, 2011 6:58 am
itsmebharat wrote:The answer E is correct but how A is wrong, can someone please explain? Correct me if I am wrong, option A is wrong because of "it" is not referencing to new farm subsidy legislation.

A) significant revision is to be expected if it is to be passed.
B) they do not expect it passing without significant revision.
C) they do not expect it passing without it being significantly revised.
D) it is not expected to pass without it being significantly revised.
E) it is not expected to pass without significant revisison.
Eliminating an option ONLY on the basis of THEY is understood, but eliminating an option ONLY on the basis of BEING is not a great I guess..

As far option A is concerned, significant revision is to be expected if it is to be passed
the better construction would be: significant revision is expected if it is to pass.

You are probably thinking about parallelism but this sounds awkward.
Also, To BE expected and to pass both seems to be in future tense.
But in actual, Revision will be followed by Pass. I mean both the things won't occur at same time.

Also the usage of IF reminds of if..then condition. The thing mentioned after if.. is/should be probably in future tense. And i think we cant have any future tense in the IF part of if..then.. sentence.

My approach was: i was sure that we will use it(pronoun for new farm subsidy legislation)
so this lefts with D and E. Recalling the concept of Placeholder it, i was sure i don't need to find the subject for to pass. And out of D and E, E is concise.. So i chose option E.
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by cans » Fri May 27, 2011 8:10 am
Although new farm subsidy legislation is presently being considered in the House of representatives,significant revision is to be expected if it is to be passed.

A) significant revision is to be expected if it is to be passed.
B) they do not expect it passing without significant revision.
C) they do not expect it passing without it being significantly revised.
D) it is not expected to pass without it being significantly revised.
E) it is not expected to pass without significant revisison.
B and C are wrong because "they" doesn't have any reference.
A - is to be expected if it is to be passed is awkward.
D is wordy and awkward and thus E is left.
IMO E
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by lunarpower » Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:00 am
i got a PM concerning this thread -- i don't see any specific questions directed at me from the original poster (sameerballani), so i'm a bit lost as to exactly what input i'm supposed to offer here.

one thing, though:
sameerballani wrote:My approach was more based on intuition, so i am looking for some good explanation.

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this wording strongly suggests that you think of "intuition" as though it were a bad thing. in fact, the reverse is true: if you have an intuition that is reliably good enough to solve problems, that is the best possible situation!
of course, you should also study rules and formal analysis, but perhaps the main reason that the gmat includes so many sentence correction problems is that, within the severe time constraint that you are given, they practically require a certain bit of intuition.

in fact, the best approach to the sentence correction problems is one in which you use intuition -- if that intuition is reliable enough -- as your first approach, with all of the formal analysis reserved for later.
that isn't something that gets a lot of explicit treatment on here, because intuition is something that can't be explicitly taught, but it's a very important piece of strategy (and one of the principal reasons behind the design of the exam itself).
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by sameerballani » Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:14 am
sameerballani wrote:Although new farm subsidy legislation is presently being considered in the House of representatives,significant revision is to be expected if it is to be passed.

A) significant revision is to be expected if it is to be passed.
B) they do not expect it passing without significant revision.
C) they do not expect it passing without it being significantly revised.
D) it is not expected to pass without it being significantly revised.
E) it is not expected to pass without significant revisison.

[spoiler]OA:E[/spoiler]
Source:Kaplan

Can someone help me out by explaining how to eliminate all wrong choices here.
Thanks

I got correct answer merely on the basis of one rule that i had studied in Manhattan SC guide. My approach was more based on intuition, so i am looking for some good explanation.

Thanks
Ron,
I feel option B and C are wrong because of the use of THEY
option D is wrong because of the use of BEING and "it being significantly revised" is wordy/awkward
option A is wrong because "is to be expected" is awkward. Better would be "is expected"
left with option E -ANSWER

I just want to clarify whether i am missing anything here. or the above mentioned reasons are the only reasons for eliminating options.
Would you like to add anything else that would help in eliminating wrong options.

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by lunarpower » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:27 pm
I feel option B and C are wrong because of the use of THEY
yes.
option D is wrong because of the use of BEING and "it being significantly revised" is wordy/awkward
"being" is not actually an error. it's used *mostly* in incorrect constructions on this exam, but it's a big mistake to think that "being" is an error all by itself. (in fact, it is used correctly in two OG12 problems -- #94 (non underlined) and #101 (underlined) -- and also in at least three GMAT PREP problems.)

the actual reason why "it being..." is incorrect is detailed in the FIRST couple of paragraphs here:
https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/pos ... tml#p26678

also -- if you want a rule regarding "being", it's probably safe to assume that MODIFIERS that start with "being" are suspicious and probably wrong. however, "being" can certainly be correct.
option A is wrong because "is to be expected" is awkward. Better would be "is expected"
left with option E -ANSWER
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by tanviet » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:21 am
there are only 2 problem with DOING on gmat.
problem 1
in the structure NOUN BEING DONE, BEING is redundant because

in the structure NOUN DOING, the meaning can be
NOUN WHICH DID
NOUN WHICH WILL DO
NOUN WHICH HAD DONE
ANY TENSE,
this is from COMPREHENSIVE GRAMMAR BOOK 1700 pages.

problem 2

GMAT normally distort meaning by changing CLAUSE into NOUN DOING

I know he come. this sentence means, I know coming.
I know him coming. this sentence means I know the man
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by HSPA » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:18 am
Hi Sameer-ji,
Being can be used as a gerund and can be correct.
Although X Y, X and Y are to be in contrast and similar(not literally).
sameerballani wrote:
sameerballani wrote:Although new farm subsidy legislation is presently being considered in the House of representatives,significant revision is to be expected if it is to be passed.

A) significant revision is to be expected if it is to be passed.
B) they do not expect it passing without significant revision.
C) they do not expect it passing without it being significantly revised.
D) it is not expected to pass without it being significantly revised.
E) it is not expected to pass without significant revisison.

[spoiler]OA:E[/spoiler]
Source:Kaplan

Can someone help me out by explaining how to eliminate all wrong choices here.
Thanks

I got correct answer merely on the basis of one rule that i had studied in Manhattan SC guide. My approach was more based on intuition, so i am looking for some good explanation.

Thanks
Ron,
I feel option B and C are wrong because of the use of THEY
option D is wrong because of the use of BEING and "it being significantly revised" is wordy/awkward
option A is wrong because "is to be expected" is awkward. Better would be "is expected"
left with option E -ANSWER

I just want to clarify whether i am missing anything here. or the above mentioned reasons are the only reasons for eliminating options.
Would you like to add anything else that would help in eliminating wrong options.

Thanks
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by biker317 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:22 am
option A is wrong because "is to be expected" is awkward.

Other than the answer being 'awkward', what else could I use to eliminate A, I had a hard time deciding b/w A and E.

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by aspirant2011 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:22 am
biker317 wrote:option A is wrong because "is to be expected" is awkward.

Other than the answer being 'awkward', what else could I use to eliminate A, I had a hard time deciding b/w A and E.

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correct rule for "if" statement is as below-

if he wins, he will distribute sweets
if he won, he would distribute sweets
if he had won, he would have distributed sweets

now match if rule in the sentence to the above one, you will urself come to know........
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by sameerballani » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:57 am
Thanks for you input. HSPA-ji !!
HSPA wrote:Hi Sameer-ji,
Being can be used as a gerund and can be correct.
Although X Y, X and Y are to be in contrast and similar(not literally).
sameerballani wrote:
sameerballani wrote:Although new farm subsidy legislation is presently being considered in the House of representatives,significant revision is to be expected if it is to be passed.

A) significant revision is to be expected if it is to be passed.
B) they do not expect it passing without significant revision.
C) they do not expect it passing without it being significantly revised.
D) it is not expected to pass without it being significantly revised.
E) it is not expected to pass without significant revisison.

[spoiler]OA:E[/spoiler]
Source:Kaplan

Can someone help me out by explaining how to eliminate all wrong choices here.
Thanks

I got correct answer merely on the basis of one rule that i had studied in Manhattan SC guide. My approach was more based on intuition, so i am looking for some good explanation.

Thanks
Ron,
I feel option B and C are wrong because of the use of THEY
option D is wrong because of the use of BEING and "it being significantly revised" is wordy/awkward
option A is wrong because "is to be expected" is awkward. Better would be "is expected"
left with option E -ANSWER

I just want to clarify whether i am missing anything here. or the above mentioned reasons are the only reasons for eliminating options.
Would you like to add anything else that would help in eliminating wrong options.

Thanks
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by abhical » Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:29 pm
lunarpower wrote:
I feel option B and C are wrong because of the use of THEY
yes.
option D is wrong because of the use of BEING and "it being significantly revised" is wordy/awkward
"being" is not actually an error. it's used *mostly* in incorrect constructions on this exam, but it's a big mistake to think that "being" is an error all by itself. (in fact, it is used correctly in two OG12 problems -- #94 (non underlined) and #101 (underlined) -- and also in at least three GMAT PREP problems.)

the actual reason why "it being..." is incorrect is detailed in the FIRST couple of paragraphs here:
https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/pos ... tml#p26678

also -- if you want a rule regarding "being", it's probably safe to assume that MODIFIERS that start with "being" are suspicious and probably wrong. however, "being" can certainly be correct.
option A is wrong because "is to be expected" is awkward. Better would be "is expected"
left with option E -ANSWER
sure
Ron, I'm not sure if I could correlate the mistake in usage of "being" in the example you cited above with the current problem, but my question remains:

in (E): it is not expected to pass without significant revision-- does it not mean the legislation is expected to pass by itself?

whereas, in (D): it is not expected to be passed without being significantly revised: this clearly indicates that the legislation is to be passed by someone/ the House

Can you please explain this?
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by lunarpower » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:09 am
abhical wrote:whereas, in (D): it is not expected to be passed without being significantly revised: this clearly indicates that the legislation is to be passed by someone/ the House

Can you please explain this?
where did you get this choice (d)?

this is not the choice (d) that is posted above.
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