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100 points for $49 worth of Veritas practice GMATs FREE VERITAS PRACTICE GMAT EXAMS Earn 10 Points Per Post Earn 10 Points Per Thanks Earn 10 Points Per Upvote ## The Gyrfalcon ##### This topic has 2 expert replies and 6 member replies ## The Gyrfalcon The Gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's (A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than (B) extinction; its numbers are five times more than (C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were (D) extinction, now with five fold numbers they had (E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than The answer is A; I chose B, and I cannot figure out why my choice is wrong or what the subtle difference between the two answers are. I hope somebody can show me the light. [/u] ### GMAT/MBA Expert GMAT Instructor Joined 28 May 2009 Posted: 1578 messages Followed by: 34 members Upvotes: 128 GMAT Score: 760 On the GMAT with comparisons you always use "greater than" instead of "more than". If you can afford it, buy Manhattan GMAT's Sentence Correction Guide. Its an invaluable resource for preparing for this section. Enroll in a Veritas Prep GMAT class completely for FREE. Wondering if a GMAT course is right for you? Attend the first class session of an actual GMAT course, either in-person or live online, and see for yourself why so many students choose to work with Veritas Prep. Find a class now! Legendary Member Joined 01 Jan 2010 Posted: 777 messages Followed by: 46 members Upvotes: 117 Target GMAT Score: 800 vivek1110 wrote: The Gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's (A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than (B) extinction; its numbers are five times more than (C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were (D) extinction, now with five fold numbers they had (E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than The answer is A; I chose B, and I cannot figure out why my choice is wrong or what the subtle difference between the two answers are. I hope somebody can show me the light. [/u] Vivek, As for why ur choice (B) is wrong :- 'greater' is better than 'more'. if you say that 'the numbers were more', that would somehow mean that the gyrfalcon 'had more numbers' than before which does not make sense. On the other hand, 'the numbers are greater' makes sense: the numbers have increased. My pick is (A) _________________ https://www.e-gmat.com/ ### GMAT/MBA Expert GMAT Instructor Joined 28 May 2009 Posted: 1578 messages Followed by: 34 members Upvotes: 128 GMAT Score: 760 What is the source? I used this sentence as my sentence that I break down each grammatical part, but when I got to the comparison part, I am unsure if any of the choices are correct. Someone else can chime in, but shouldn't the comparison read "its numbers are five times greater than its numbers were when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's" Or is this a situation where we can omit certain words? Enroll in a Veritas Prep GMAT class completely for FREE. Wondering if a GMAT course is right for you? Attend the first class session of an actual GMAT course, either in-person or live online, and see for yourself why so many students choose to work with Veritas Prep. Find a class now! Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts Joined 26 Sep 2009 Posted: 126 messages Followed by: 2 members Upvotes: 4 Target GMAT Score: 750 GMAT Score: 660 Quote: What is the source? This question is from the OG Verbal Review (11th Ed). Quote: Someone else can chime in, but shouldn't the comparison read "its numbers are five times greater than its numbers were when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's" I thought of this too; none of the options had an emphasis of numbers on the second fragment, which was ambiguous. I overlooked it, like a seasoned GMAT taker and stuck to what I needed to do, to eliminate answer choices. Yeah, any light on that would be appreciated too. Legendary Member Joined 29 Aug 2009 Posted: 758 messages Followed by: 2 members Upvotes: 67 Manhattan takeaway, 1. If you want to relate the quantities by multiplication, use times and as....as together. Right : The man is Five Times As old As his grandson. Wrong: The man is Five Times OLDER THAN his grandson. 2. If you want to relate two quantities by addition and subtraction, use more than or less than Right : I am TEN years OLDER THAN you. Wrong : I am TEN years AS OLD AS you. Manhattan has mentioned about this problem specifically and told to avoid this usage( as shown correct in A ).[/i] Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts Joined 19 Oct 2009 Posted: 266 messages Upvotes: 8 GMAT Score: 690 Awesome. now what? Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts Joined 21 Feb 2010 Posted: 176 messages Upvotes: 2 Test Date: 7th Sep GMAT Score: 710 i think you are referring to the adv chapter on Comparisons. Whereas this distinction is mentioned in the basic chapter( Chp 10 , Odds & Ends) with a similar example. 1. 'numbers of ' is correct when used in a sentence such as The peacock's numbers are estimated to be two times greater than last year, easing the concern of the forest officials worried about the population of the peacocks. greater than needs to be used rather than more than. more than -> numbers itself are 'more' rather than the actual number of peacocks pls correct me in case i have messed up the example. just trying to strengthen my concepts as well ) sumanr84 wrote: Manhattan takeaway, 1. If you want to relate the quantities by multiplication, use times and as....as together. Right : The man is Five Times As old As his grandson. Wrong: The man is Five Times OLDER THAN his grandson. 2. If you want to relate two quantities by addition and subtraction, use more than or less than Right : I am TEN years OLDER THAN you. Wrong : I am TEN years AS OLD AS you. Manhattan has mentioned about this problem specifically and told to avoid this usage( as shown correct in A ).[/i] Senior | Next Rank: 100 Posts Joined 16 May 2012 Posted: 78 messages Upvotes: 2 Thank you very much. I have a follow-up query on this particular kind of comparison: The comparison of more and greater triggers the following question in my mind: Are the following sentences correct? 1) A pen costs more than a pencil. 2) The cost of a pen is greater than that of a pencil. 3) BirdA are more numerous than birdB in countryX. 4) BirdA are more in number than birdB in country. 5) BirdA are more than birdB in country. Please explain your answer(s). Thank you very much in advance. komal wrote: vivek1110 wrote: The Gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's (A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than (B) extinction; its numbers are five times more than (C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were (D) extinction, now with five fold numbers they had (E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than The answer is A; I chose B, and I cannot figure out why my choice is wrong or what the subtle difference between the two answers are. I hope somebody can show me the light. [/u] Vivek, As for why ur choice (B) is wrong :- 'greater' is better than 'more'. if you say that 'the numbers were more', that would somehow mean that the gyrfalcon 'had more numbers' than before which does not make sense. 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