The concert having been finished and the audience having fil

iamcste wrote:Thanks PC

I wish everyone would contribute in this manner.

I would prefer such discussions for stupid IMOs/votes

PC- Can we use "having been..." here ( does it change the meaning)

For the moment, Keep Passive and active aside

I hate IMOs myself, I feel with IMO a poster is just helping himself without any regard for the question poster who actually needs help. And most of the times I have seen people posting IMOs when question poster has already given answer, now thats amusing.

Coming back to the topic

Having been = something that started in past and ended in recent past.

Now look at the option A, I think it doesnt changes the meaning.

Confused with answer choice B and C.
I selected answer choice B ,because of the use of word 'been'. As audience can't be filtered out on there own,so I think there is a need for 'had been'
I would say audience is being filtered out by.../has been filtered out ../had been filtered out

Experts please throw some light to clarify my doubt

gauravgundal wrote:Confused with answer choice B and C.
I selected answer choice B ,because of the use of word 'been'. As audience can't be filtered out on there own,so I think there is a need for 'had been'
I would say audience is being filtered out by.../has been filtered out ../had been filtered out

Experts please throw some light to clarify my doubt

Hi,

here's something to know about the GMAT - it was traumatized by the passive voice as a child.

Accordingly, the GMAT hates and fears constructions with the verbs "been" and "being"; when you see a sentence written with one of those verbs, it's almost always wrong.

The word "filtered" in this sentence simply means "dispersed" or "went", so it is a verb that a noun can do to itself.

@Stuart Kovinsky: I agree we should avoid having been and being , but isn't A completely correct ?

The having been and having in modifying phrase do communicate correct sequence of tenses.

The concert having been finished and the audience having filtered out, the maestro relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario.

A. The concert having been finished and the audience having filtered out, the maestro relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario.

B. Because the maestro had finished the concert and because the audience had been filtered out, he relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario. --------> changes the meaning

C. Because the maestro had finished the concert and because the audience had filtered out, he relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario. --------> maintains parallelism and uses "relaxed"

D. Since the concert had finished and the audience had filtered out, the maestro had relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario. -------> it should have been simple past

E. The concert having been finished and the audience having been filtered out, the maestro had relaxed int he dressing room with the impresario. -------> changes the meaning

GMATMadeEasy wrote:@Stuart Kovinsky: I agree we should avoid having been and being , but isn't A completely correct ?

The having been and having in modifying phrase do communicate correct sequence of tenses.

Grammatically it's fine - stylistically it's inferior to C.

In sentence correction, there's a checklist of three things to consider:

1) grammar;
2) meaning (i.e. we need to preserve the author's intended meaning); and
3) style.

So, if you have more than 1 choice that's both grammatically correct and preserves the author's intended meaning, you move down the list to "style" to determine the best choice. One clear style choice on the GMAT is the active voice over the passive voice.

aspirant2011 wrote:The concert having been finished and the audience having filtered out, the maestro relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario.

A. The concert having been finished and the audience having filtered out, the maestro relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario.

B. Because the maestro had finished the concert and because the audience had been filtered out, he relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario. --------> changes the meaning

C. Because the maestro had finished the concert and because the audience had filtered out, he relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario. --------> maintains parallelism and uses "relaxed"

D. Since the concert had finished and the audience had filtered out, the maestro had relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario. -------> it should have been simple past

E. The concert having been finished and the audience having been filtered out, the maestro had relaxed int he dressing room with the impresario. -------> changes the meaning

Please correct me if I am wrong........
having been finished and ---> this is also participle ? not sure...any thoughts?
"the audience having filtered out," here having is participle

Voodoo

voodoo_child wrote:

aspirant2011 wrote:The concert having been finished and the audience having filtered out, the maestro relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario.

A. The concert having been finished and the audience having filtered out, the maestro relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario.

B. Because the maestro had finished the concert and because the audience had been filtered out, he relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario. --------> changes the meaning

C. Because the maestro had finished the concert and because the audience had filtered out, he relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario. --------> maintains parallelism and uses "relaxed"

D. Since the concert had finished and the audience had filtered out, the maestro had relaxed in the dressing room with the impresario. -------> it should have been simple past

E. The concert having been finished and the audience having been filtered out, the maestro had relaxed int he dressing room with the impresario. -------> changes the meaning

Please correct me if I am wrong........
having been finished and ---> this is also participle ? not sure...any thoughts?
"the audience having filtered out," here having is participle

Voodoo

Hi Voodoo,

I may not be able to clear your this doubt properly as I don't have deep knowledge of participals and all , I rejected A because it was a awkward construction i.e "audience having filtered out".........you can PM an expert for the same

@voodoo_child : In the A, the red parts are not playing role of participle for sure but providing tenses to present sequence in time. In fact, this structure is made up out of passive voice.

The concert having been finished -- expresses that concert is over (but read this someone speaking in past before a point in past)
the audience having filtered out -- expresses again the same meaning .. some previous point in past

But at this point, we need help to know how these two constructions are formed ?
Active voice --> Passive voice --> further changed
the maestro had finished the concert --> The concert had been finished by maestro --> The concert having been finished
the audience had filtered out --> no passive possible because verb is used without object (in the form of intransitive) -> the audience having filtered out (i am really curious to know the structure of the bolded).. i can smell this is indirect and little awkward though