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The apples sold in this cafeteria are greasy

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by xyztroy » Fri May 07, 2010 11:30 am
Read this -> Most fruit is sprayed with dangerous pesticides before it is harvested, and is dangerous until it is washed.

So if someone other than the restaurant has washed the apples then there is no danger for anyone...

I am still up for A.










harshavardhanc wrote:
xyztroy wrote:I think the ans should be A. This is the only options which works best with the negation...!! pls post the OA
conclusion : the cafeteria is selling pesticide-covered fruit

premise 1 : The apples sold in this cafeteria are greasy when they are delivered to the cafeteria.
premise 2 : the cafeteria does not wash the apples it sells


if the assumption is A and you negate it :
(A) The apples that the cafeteria sells are thoroughly washed after harvest but before reaching the cafeteria.
the patron can still make his conclusion. He'll say that, though the fruits are washed after the harvest, the greasy material still remains on the fruits and they are in the greasy condition when they are delivered.

However, if you negate B :
(B) Most pesticides that are sprayed on fruit before harvest DO NOT leave a greasy residue on the fruit.
will he be able to conclude that pesticides are the reason for greasiness ?

HTH.
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by harshavardhanc » Fri May 07, 2010 11:41 am
xyztroy wrote:Read this -> Most fruit is sprayed with dangerous pesticides before it is harvested, and is dangerous until it is washed.

So if someone other than the restaurant has washed the apples then there is no danger for anyone...

I am still up for A.

yes, in order to prove that the fruits are dangerous, he first needs to prove that they have pesticides on them.

His assumption, therefore, is that the greasiness is due pesticides.

I'm still up for B. ;)
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by mbadreamz » Fri May 07, 2010 11:43 am
harshavardhanc wrote:
xyztroy wrote:I think the ans should be A. This is the only options which works best with the negation...!! pls post the OA
conclusion : the cafeteria is selling pesticide-covered fruit

premise 1 : The apples sold in this cafeteria are greasy when they are delivered to the cafeteria.
premise 2 : the cafeteria does not wash the apples it sells


if the assumption is A and you negate it :
(A) The apples that the cafeteria sells are thoroughly washed after harvest but before reaching the cafeteria.
the patron can still make his conclusion. He'll say that, though the fruits are washed after the harvest, the greasy material still remains on the fruits and they are in the greasy condition when they are delivered.

However, if you negate B :
(B) Most pesticides that are sprayed on fruit before harvest DO NOT leave a greasy residue on the fruit.
will he be able to conclude that pesticides are the reason for greasiness ?

HTH.

I don't see OA anywhere in the post. Please post OA.

I would go with A


Premise 1: Cafeteria doesn't wash fruits.

Premise 2: Most fruit is sprayed with dangerous pesticides before it is harvested.

Conclusion: Clearly, the cafeteria is selling pesticide-covered fruit, thereby endangering its patrons.

I would rather ignore the "greasy" part of the argument. The argument clearly needs "A" to be true to come to such conclusion. If the fruits are washed before they hit the cafe...and the conclusion will lose ground.

My 2 cents...
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by xyztroy » Fri May 07, 2010 12:40 pm
I just found this question on other forum:
https://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-critica ... stion.html

OA is A..... :)
harshavardhanc wrote:
xyztroy wrote:Read this -> Most fruit is sprayed with dangerous pesticides before it is harvested, and is dangerous until it is washed.

So if someone other than the restaurant has washed the apples then there is no danger for anyone...

I am still up for A.

yes, in order to prove that the fruits are dangerous, he first needs to prove that they have pesticides on them.

His assumption, therefore, is that the greasiness is due pesticides.

I'm still up for B. ;)
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by liferocks » Fri May 07, 2010 6:27 pm
harshavardhanc wrote:
xyztroy wrote:Read this -> Most fruit is sprayed with dangerous pesticides before it is harvested, and is dangerous until it is washed.

So if someone other than the restaurant has washed the apples then there is no danger for anyone...

I am still up for A.

yes, in order to prove that the fruits are dangerous, he first needs to prove that they have pesticides on them.

His assumption, therefore, is that the greasiness is due pesticides.

I'm still up for B. ;)
I also selected B..but I think we have miss interpreted the structure of the sentence

the sentence is like apples are greasy--->they are not washed--->the cafeteria is selling pesticide-covered fruit

but when choosing B I assumed that 'greasy' indicates that apples are covered with pesticide...missed the middle conclusion and the main premise of the statement 'The cashier told me that the apples are in that condition when they are delivered to the cafeteria and that the cafeteria does not wash the apples it sells'

like this question a lot!
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by paddle_sweep » Fri May 07, 2010 9:19 pm
IMO it's B. Pls post OA.
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by thephoenix » Fri May 07, 2010 9:29 pm
paddle_sweep wrote:IMO it's B. Pls post OA.
sorry for delaying the things
OA is A
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by kevincanspain » Fri May 07, 2010 11:13 pm
thephoenix wrote:Cafeteria patron: The apples sold in this cafeteria are greasy. The cashier told me that the apples are in that condition when they are delivered to the cafeteria and that the cafeteria does not wash the apples it sells. Most fruit is sprayed with dangerous pesticides before it is harvested, and is dangerous until it is washed. Clearly, the cafeteria is selling pesticide-covered fruit, thereby endangering its patrons.
Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
(A) The apples that the cafeteria sells are not thoroughly washed after harvest but before reaching the cafeteria.
(B) Most pesticides that are sprayed on fruit before harvest leave a greasy residue on the fruit.
(C) Many of the cafeteria's patrons are unaware that the cafeteria does not wash the apples it sells.
(D) Only pesticides that leave a greasy residue on fruit can be washed off.
(E) Fruits other than apples also arrive at the cafeteria in a greasy condition
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If B is false, could the conclusion still be valid? Yes: If the greasy residue is due to the fact that the apples have never been washed, any pesticide (greasy or not) would still be on the apples when they are sold. Thus B is NOT an assumption underying the argument.

On the other hand, if A is false (i.e. if the apples are washed thoroughly before reaching the cafeteria), then the conclusion is evidently wrong. Thus A is an assumption on which the arugment relies
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by ansh.kumar » Sat May 08, 2010 3:51 am
ohhhh, missed that. its A . thanks a lot kevin
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by kstv » Sat May 08, 2010 6:15 pm
If the apples are greasy, clearly they have not been washed before reaching the cafe. Or they have been washed and then deliberately greased maybe for appearance.
The conclusion is that the clients' health is being put at risk by the cafe owner selling pestsicide laden apples.
If the clients knew that the apples are unwashed, as in option C, the customers will wash it themselves thereby mitigating the risk.

How is A an assumption ? , which though unstated one should be able to infer it from the passage. A cannot be reasonably inferred unless stated as a premise.
IMO C.
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by ssgmatter » Sat May 08, 2010 7:09 pm
kevincanspain wrote:
thephoenix wrote:Cafeteria patron: The apples sold in this cafeteria are greasy. The cashier told me that the apples are in that condition when they are delivered to the cafeteria and that the cafeteria does not wash the apples it sells. Most fruit is sprayed with dangerous pesticides before it is harvested, and is dangerous until it is washed. Clearly, the cafeteria is selling pesticide-covered fruit, thereby endangering its patrons.
Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
(A) The apples that the cafeteria sells are not thoroughly washed after harvest but before reaching the cafeteria.
(B) Most pesticides that are sprayed on fruit before harvest leave a greasy residue on the fruit.
(C) Many of the cafeteria's patrons are unaware that the cafeteria does not wash the apples it sells.
(D) Only pesticides that leave a greasy residue on fruit can be washed off.
(E) Fruits other than apples also arrive at the cafeteria in a greasy condition
lsat
If B is false, could the conclusion still be valid? Yes: If the greasy residue is due to the fact that the apples have never been washed, any pesticide (greasy or not) would still be on the apples when they are sold. Thus B is NOT an assumption underying the argument.

On the other hand, if A is false (i.e. if the apples are washed thoroughly before reaching the cafeteria), then the conclusion is evidently wrong. Thus A is an assumption on which the arugment relies
Hey Kevin....please explain the option C and how would we negate this option....

Negation 1: Many of the cafeteria's patrons are aware that the cafeteria does not wash the apples it sells.

Negation 2: Many of the cafeteria's patrons are unaware that the cafeteria wash the apples it sells.
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by huly » Sun May 09, 2010 4:05 am
seems like a few choose C
but I have to say of course it's C
it concludes that the apples will endanger the patrons, but this will happen ONLY IF the partrons are not aware of the unwashed apple
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by kevincanspain » Sun May 09, 2010 11:40 am
huly wrote:seems like a few choose C
but I have to say of course it's C
it concludes that the apples will endanger the patrons, but this will happen ONLY IF the partrons are not aware of the unwashed apple
Even if they knew that the apples were unwashed, they may choose to eat them without washing them first, as they may be unaware of the harm of ingesting pesticides or even of their very existence.
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by iamseer » Sun May 09, 2010 12:15 pm
kevincanspain wrote: If B is false, could the conclusion still be valid? Yes: If the greasy residue is due to the fact that the apples have never been washed, any pesticide (greasy or not) would still be on the apples when they are sold. Thus B is NOT an assumption underying the argument.

On the other hand, if A is false (i.e. if the apples are washed thoroughly before reaching the cafeteria), then the conclusion is evidently wrong. Thus A is an assumption on which the arugment relies
I respectfully disagree.

IMO answer B
The argument concludes that cafeteria is selling pesticide-covered fruit. And this is based on the fact that apples are greasy and most fruits are sprayed with pesticide before harvest. So, something that links "greasy" and "pesticide-cover" has to be the assumption.

Now, why we can eliminate A?
The part of argument is "The cashier told me that the apples are in that condition when they are delivered to the cafeteria and that the cafeteria does not wash the apples it sells." The author is not assuming anything about the fruit being washed. Author is just linking the greasiness to pesticide. Even if the fruit was washed a 100 times before it reached the cafeteria it is as a matter of fact still greasy. And acc. to author greasy means pesticide-cover.
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by kevincanspain » Sun May 09, 2010 1:43 pm
Most fruit is sprayed with dangerous pesticides before it is harvested, and is dangerous until it is washed. Clearly, the cafeteria is selling pesticide-covered fruit,

If the fruit has been washed prior to reaching the cafeteria, is it dangerous for people to eat it?
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