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by GmatKiss » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:39 am
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by abcgmat » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:56 am
In C.
Does 'that' refer to Germany ( closest noun here ) or tools(logically wooden spears is a tool)
Can someone explain this

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by Gaurav 2013-fall » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:04 am
IMO E

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by Lifetron » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:26 am
I had the exact same thought process as Cramya

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by Ganesh hatwar » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:39 am
apple100 wrote:The new image of Stone Age people as systematic hunters of large animals, rather than merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany including , three wooden spears that archaeologists believe to be about 400,000 years old.



(A) merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including
(B) as merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from examining tools found in Germany, which include
(C) as mere meat scavengers, has emerged from examining tools found in Germany that includes
(D) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which includes
(E) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including

I believe telling in one word is better than two words for GMAT Including> which includes

This is how i arrived at E

[spoiler]OA is E, but what is wrong with C. If C were "that include" instead of "that includes" would it be correct? Also does "that" modify Germany?[/spoiler]

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by abcgmat » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:20 am
The new image of Stone Age people as systematic hunters of large animals, rather than merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany including , three wooden spears that archaeologists believe to be about 400,000 years old.

(A) merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including
(B) as merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from examining tools found in Germany, which include
(C) as mere meat scavengers, has emerged from examining tools found in Germany that includes
(D) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which includes
(E) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including


The Idiom is X rather than Y
X needs to be parallel to Y . X is of the format: systematic hunters of large animals (A of B)
We need Z also in similar format: mere scavengers of meat.
The subject is Image, there fore verb needs to be singular. So Option A and B is out
C, D , E
C: includes refers to singular german , but logically makes sense with tools which is plural - Wrong
as three wooden spears are tools
D:includes refers to singular german , but logically makes sense with tools which is plural - Wrong
E: OK
Therefore Option is E

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by lunarpower » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:15 am
Ganesh hatwar wrote:OA is E, but what is wrong with C. If C were "that include" instead of "that includes" would it be correct? Also does "that" modify Germany?
if you had "...that include...", the meaning would still be illogical.
if you have X that include Y, the implication is that Y is actually a component of the X's.
if you have X, including Y, the implication is that Y is one of the X's -- not a sub-component of one of them, as in the former wording.

e.g.
Recruits take weekly examinations that include timed mental arithmetic exercises. --> makes sense, because "mental arithmetic exercises" are a sub-component of the examinations.
vs
Recruits take weekly examinations, including full-length tests that imitate the general form of the ASVAB --> this is also correct, because "full-length tests..." ARE examinations. they are not sub-components of examinations. (the ASVAB is a standardized test given to U.S. military recruits.)

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as the poster above me has mentioned, (c) also suffers from inferior parallelism. the correct answer is written in a style that's exactly parallel to the other half; (c) isn't. therefore, bye-bye (c).
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by eski » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:14 pm
(A) merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including
(B) as merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from examining tools found in Germany, which include
(C) as mere meat scavengers, has emerged from examining tools found in Germany that includes
(D) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which includes
(E) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including

which includes > including

My Ans : D[/spoiler]

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by Vikashee » Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:34 am
A small confusion , I eliminated options A,B because The image is a singular noun, which does not agree with have ... is it correct

lunarpower wrote:parallel structure is one reason why (c) is worse than (d) or (e).

to wit, look at the blue parts below. note that "rather than" is a one-part signal - i.e., unlike two-part constructions such as "both ... and" and "not only ... but also", it lacks a left-hand part indicating the beginning of the first parallel element. therefore, you can choose to start the first parallel element wherever you want - meaning that you can choose to include or exclude "as" at your convenience:

(c)
The new image of Stone Age people as systematic hunters of large animals, rather than as mere meat scavengers, has...
this parallelism is acceptable, but there are two undesirable things:
* "hunters OF large animals" isn't truly parallel to "meat scavengers"
* "meat scavengers" is awkward / unclear (you probably won't know this unless you're a native speaker of english and/or a writer)

(d)(e)
The new image of Stone Age people as systematic hunters of large animals, rather than mere scavengers of meat, has...
this is better parallelism (notice that "as" is excluded from the first part this time).
* note the EXACT parallelism between "hunters OF large animals" and "scavengers OF meat".

also, (c) implies, unambiguously (and absurdly), that germany itself "includes" 3 wooden spears.
(3 all the way!)

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by lunarpower » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:46 am
Vikashee wrote:A small confusion , I eliminated options A,B because The image is a singular noun, which does not agree with have ... is it correct
yes.
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by Maeverick » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:33 am
lunarpower wrote:
CaptainM wrote:Could you please help me to understand the usage of Include vs including in the following GPREP question:
In attempting to solve the problems caused by a lowering of the price of oil, oil
companies operating in the North Sea have taken a variety of approaches, which
includes their reducing employment, using new technology to pump oil more
efficiently
from smaller fields, and finding innovative ways to cut the cost of building
and operating platforms.

C. which include reducing employment, using new technology to pump oil more
efficiently(OA)

E. including a reduction of employment, their use of new technology to be more
efficient at pumping oil

Thnx a Lot!!!! :P
this is not "include versus including"; the issue in (e) is its absolutely awful parallelism -- the 3 items actually appear in three completely different forms (vs. the perfect parallelism in choice (c): -ing, -ing, and -ing)

in this problem, they used "which include" presumably to avoid having two -ING's in a row. there have been other examples of GPREP sentences that use less-preferred constructions in order to avoid awkward repetitions, too.
see here
https://www.beatthegmat.com/ethnicity-t3 ... tml#211808
In any case in option E the "including" will refer to the Oil companies. Hence is illogical.And in option c "which" refer to the "approaches" and using refer to the Oil companies(Subject of the previous clause).Hence, the logical flow is maintained
you wrote "in this problem, they used "which include" presumably to avoid having two -ING's in a row. there have been other examples of GPREP sentences that use less-preferred constructions in order to avoid awkward repetitions"
what explanation you are trying to give by taking Two -ing's??
It's not clear what you want to convey by "presumably to avoid having two -ING's in a row" ??

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by lunarpower » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:49 am
Maeverick wrote:you wrote "in this problem, they used "which include" presumably to avoid having two -ING's in a row. there have been other examples of GPREP sentences that use less-preferred constructions in order to avoid awkward repetitions"
what explanation you are trying to give by taking Two -ing's??
It's not clear what you want to convey by "presumably to avoid having two -ING's in a row" ??
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by tarik » Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:19 pm
I Chose E because of parallelism

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by jaspreetsra » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:21 am
The new image of Stone Age people as systematic hunters of large animals, rather than merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany including three wooden spears that archaeologists believe to be about 400,000 years old.

(A) merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including
(B) as merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from examining tools found in Germany, which include
(C) as mere meat scavengers, has emerged from examining tools found in Germany that includes
(D) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which includes
(E) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including

My answer is E
Explanation:
A & B - wrong bcz subject-verb agreement (The new image has emerged)
C - that refers Germany - not correct
D -which??? not sure why?,but this option is also wrong.
E -Right, including solves the problem of 'that' and 'which'

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by nikhilgmat31 » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:55 pm
lunarpower wrote:also

by far the easiest way to kill (c) is subject-verb agreement: "includes" (singular) doesn't make sense, because "tools" (the clearly intended antecedent) is plural.

there is also a VERY subtle difference in meaning here, which is wholly idiomatic.
namely:
if you say "tools that include X", then X is A COMPONENT of the tools. so, for instance, "tools that include a bottle opener" means that a bottle opener is one of many attachments.
on the other hand, "tools(,) including X" implies that X is ONE OF the tools. so, for instance, "tools(,) including a bottle opener" means that the bottle opener itself is one of the tools in question.

clearly, S-V agreement is the easier way to go.

Identifying sub-verb agreement for plural tools & singular includes elimates C & D.

so answer is E.