There was a toss between D & E. Eleminated D, because of the redundant "which", because..."three wodded spears..." is an important information
and should not be modified by the conjuction "which".
Which is genrally used for non-importnat information.
Is that a right approach...any Comments?
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As always Gr8 explanationlunarpower wrote:also
by far the easiest way to kill (c) is subject-verb agreement: "includes" (singular) doesn't make sense, because "tools" (the clearly intended antecedent) is plural.
there is also a VERY subtle difference in meaning here, which is wholly idiomatic.
namely:
if you say "tools that include X", then X is A COMPONENT of the tools. so, for instance, "tools that include a bottle opener" means that a bottle opener is one of many attachments.
on the other hand, "tools(,) including X" implies that X is ONE OF the tools. so, for instance, "tools(,) including a bottle opener" means that the bottle opener itself is one of the tools in question.
clearly, S-V agreement is the easier way to go.
Could you please help me to understand the usage of Include vs including in the following GPREP question:
In attempting to solve the problems caused by a lowering of the price of oil, oil
companies operating in the North Sea have taken a variety of approaches, which
includes their reducing employment, using new technology to pump oil more
efficiently from smaller fields, and finding innovative ways to cut the cost of building
and operating platforms.
C. which include reducing employment, using new technology to pump oil more
efficiently(OA)
E. including a reduction of employment, their use of new technology to be more
efficient at pumping oil
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this is not "include versus including"; the issue in (e) is its absolutely awful parallelism -- the 3 items actually appear in three completely different forms (vs. the perfect parallelism in choice (c): -ing, -ing, and -ing)CaptainM wrote:Could you please help me to understand the usage of Include vs including in the following GPREP question:
In attempting to solve the problems caused by a lowering of the price of oil, oil
companies operating in the North Sea have taken a variety of approaches, which
includes their reducing employment, using new technology to pump oil more
efficiently from smaller fields, and finding innovative ways to cut the cost of building
and operating platforms.
C. which include reducing employment, using new technology to pump oil more
efficiently(OA)
E. including a reduction of employment, their use of new technology to be more
efficient at pumping oil
Thnx a Lot!!!! :P
in this problem, they used "which include" presumably to avoid having two -ING's in a row. there have been other examples of GPREP sentences that use less-preferred constructions in order to avoid awkward repetitions, too.
see here
https://www.beatthegmat.com/ethnicity-t3 ... tml#211808
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stuff preceding the comma refers the immediate noun preceding the comma or the action of the preceding the clause .lunarpower wrote:
when you see "comma + including", you should think of "including" as a preposition, not as an -ing modifier. therefore, "including X" will become a prepositional phrase that describes the stuff preceding the comma.
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generally noun or noun+modifier.mundasingh123 wrote:stuff preceding the comma refers the immediate noun preceding the comma or the action of the preceding the clause .lunarpower wrote:
when you see "comma + including", you should think of "including" as a preposition, not as an -ing modifier. therefore, "including X" will become a prepositional phrase that describes the stuff preceding the comma.
note, though, that gmac allows "including" to modify nouns that are followed by unusually long modifiers. for instance, the following is a correct sentence from gmat prep:
United States Senator Daniel Inouye was appointed to several posts within the Democratic party during his first term, including assistant majority whip and vice-chair of the Democratic Senatorial Committee.
--> here, the "including" modifier is clearly modifying several posts, which itself is modified by a series of two consecutive prepositional phrases.
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(D) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which includes
(E) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including
Was mixed with D and E,
will D be a contender if it was,
mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which includes three wooden spears and a golden pike that archaeologists believe to be about 400,000 years old.
Please help!
TIA,
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(E) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including
Was mixed with D and E,
will D be a contender if it was,
mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which includes three wooden spears and a golden pike that archaeologists believe to be about 400,000 years old.
Please help!
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hmm?GmatKiss wrote:(D) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which includes
(E) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including
Was mixed with D and E,
will D be a contender if it was,
mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which includes three wooden spears and a golden pike that archaeologists believe to be about 400,000 years old.
you wrote "would (d) be a contender if it was...", followed by exactly the same thing as your original choice (d).
it can thus be assumed that you have written at least one of these things incorrectly.
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Will it be correct to eliminate (D) on the basis of "includes", which does not go with plural "tools"?apple100 wrote:The new image of Stone Age people as systematic hunters of large animals, rather than merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany including , three wooden spears that archaeologists believe to be about 400,000 years old.
(A) merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including
(B) as merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from examining tools found in Germany, which include
(C) as mere meat scavengers, has emerged from examining tools found in Germany that includes
(D) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which includes
(E) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including
[spoiler]OA is E, but what is wrong with C. If C were "that include" instead of "that includes" would it be correct? Also does "that" modify Germany?[/spoiler]
And if my contention is correct, then will it be correct as,
(F) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which include
Thanks in advance please !
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yes.vishwas.arora wrote:Will it be correct to eliminate (D) on the basis of "includes", which does not go with plural "tools"?
first -- in general, you shouldn't try to do this.And if my contention is correct, then will it be correct as,
(F) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which include
don't try to fix sentences!
even though this section of the test is called, ironically, "sentence correction", you do not need to be able to fix the sentences; you only need to be able to select the correct answer choice from the choices given.
trying to fix the sentences is an irrelevant skill set; if you do too much of this, it will distract you from the skill set that you actually need.
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your choice (f) here is ... not wrong, but it's sort of weird. (this is almost always what happens when students try to write their own versions of the official sentences -- they create versions that may not be objectively incorrect, but that still have this "eeehhhhh" factor.)
the weirdness comes from the present tense "include", which is a strange and unnecessary shift of tense from the original. (writing "have included" would also be wrong, though, because that would imply that the set of tools changed or evolved over time.) "including" is better, because it automatically adopts the timeframe and situational relevance of whatever the sentence is talking about.
... but, the best way to answer this question is "don't try to fix sentences".
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Thanks a ton, Ron !lunarpower wrote:yes.vishwas.arora wrote:Will it be correct to eliminate (D) on the basis of "includes", which does not go with plural "tools"?
first -- in general, you shouldn't try to do this.And if my contention is correct, then will it be correct as,
(F) mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which include
don't try to fix sentences!
even though this section of the test is called, ironically, "sentence correction", you do not need to be able to fix the sentences; you only need to be able to select the correct answer choice from the choices given.
trying to fix the sentences is an irrelevant skill set; if you do too much of this, it will distract you from the skill set that you actually need.
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your choice (f) here is ... not wrong, but it's sort of weird. (this is almost always what happens when students try to write their own versions of the official sentences -- they create versions that may not be objectively incorrect, but that still have this "eeehhhhh" factor.)
the weirdness comes from the present tense "include", which is a strange and unnecessary shift of tense from the original. (writing "have included" would also be wrong, though, because that would imply that the set of tools changed or evolved over time.) "including" is better, because it automatically adopts the timeframe and situational relevance of whatever the sentence is talking about.
... but, the best way to answer this question is "don't try to fix sentences".
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rather than AS is wrong .it is enough to go to the next answ choiceapple100 wrote: [spoiler]OA is E, but what is wrong with C. If C were "that include" instead of "that includes" would it be correct? Also does "that" modify Germany?[/spoiler]
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Ron, i didnt understand the difference between saying that include and "including " well . would it then be wrong to say "actors that include tom cruise "if you say "tools that include X", then X is A COMPONENT of the tools. so, for instance, "tools that include a bottle opener" means that a bottle opener is one of many attachments.
on the other hand, "tools(,) including X" implies that X is ONE OF the tools. so, for instance, "tools(,) including a bottle opener" means that the bottle opener itself is one of the tools in question.
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yes, that usage would be incorrect, because tom cruise is not an actor's body part.mundasingh123 wrote:Ron, i didnt understand the difference between saying that include and "including " well . would it then be wrong to say "actors that include tom cruise "
if you were to write a sentence in which tom cruise were actually a component of some larger entity -- for instance, "a star-studded group of actors that includes tom cruise" -- then the usage would be correct.
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