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Shark - modifier problem

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by necromancer_678 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:13 am
Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.

A. movies—less than those
B. movies—fewer than have been
C. movies, which is less than those
D. movies, a number lower than the people
E. movies, fewer than the ones

OA B

When we have modifier with commas on both sides...we can remove the modifier and check for continuation.

So,
Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark[spoiler], the man-eater of the movies—[/spoiler]fewer than have been .....

This does not sound correct to me...can we assume a comma after shark...after removing the modifier and checking for continuation.

This results in the following modified sentence ->
Only seven people this century have been killed by the great whale, fewer than have been .....


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by goelmohit2002 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:39 am
Please note that there is a hyphen in B...

that is not same as comma....

Only seven people this century have been k!IIed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—fewer than have been k!IIed by bee stings...

if we remove comma stuff...then the sentence becomes....note that hyphen is there....

Only seven people this century have been k!IIed by the great white shark—fewer than have been k!IIed by bee stings...

Here IMO hyphen is used to add more about the entire previous clause...which is different than the case when hyphen would not have been there....if hyphen would not have been there....then it would have acted as noun modifier....modifying the immediate previous noun....
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by kamalsinghy » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:53 am
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by Stacey Koprince » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:56 am
Received a PM asking me to reply. Looks like Ron already addressed this in another thread.

One more thought: the stuff after the dash begins with "fewer than" (or "<something> than"). The words right after the comma don't signal a standard noun (or adverbial) modifier set-up. They signal a comparison. So follow the rules for comparisons. What are the two things being compared? The number of people killed by one thing vs. the number killed by another. Comparisons also require parallelism. Do we have that? Sure.

7 people this century have been killed by X -
fewer than
..............................have been killed by Y.
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by goelmohit2002 » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:01 am
Stacey Koprince wrote:Received a PM asking me to reply. Looks like Ron already addressed this in another thread.

One more thought: the stuff after the dash begins with "fewer than" (or "<something> than"). The words right after the comma don't signal a standard noun (or adverbial) modifier set-up. They signal a comparison. So follow the rules for comparisons. What are the two things being compared? The number of people k!IIed by one thing vs. the number k!IIed by another. Comparisons also require parallelism. Do we have that? Sure.

7 people this century have been k!IIed by X -
fewer than
..............................have been k!IIed by Y.
Hi Stacey,

Thanks. Does it mean that in this case....the stuff after hyphen is not acting as modifier ?

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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:34 pm
Not in the way that you're thinking of modifiers-as-tested-on-GMAT. We should classify this as a comparison and treat it accordingly.
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by goelmohit2002 » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:52 am
Stacey Koprince wrote:Not in the way that you're thinking of modifiers-as-tested-on-GMAT. We should classify this as a comparison and treat it accordingly.
Thanks Stacey.

Do you think that E can be kicked out on the basis of "ones".....

Is there any rule regarding the usage of ones that is tested in GMAT ? I know of only one i.e. "You" and "one" cannot be mixed in a sentence....Please tell if there are any more rules to this or there any gaps in my understanding....e.g.
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by goelmohit2002 » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:20 am
Stacey Koprince wrote:Not in the way that you're thinking of modifiers-as-tested-on-GMAT. We should classify this as a comparison and treat it accordingly.
Thanks a lot Stacey. Just checked the 10th Chapter of Manhattan SC guide....that talks about this dash concept....

As per that we can use dash as any sort of modifier.... :-) like adverb, appositive etc. etc...It says with dash we can never go wrong Vis a Vis Location is concerned :-)
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by Stacey Koprince » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:21 am
Is there any rule regarding the usage of ones that is tested in GMAT ? I know of only one i.e. "You" and "one" cannot be mixed in a sentence....Please tell if there are any more rules to this or there any gaps in my understanding....e.g.
You're right that we shouldn't use "one" and "you" interchangeably in a sentence.

In general, we also shouldn't use "those" and "ones" interchangeably (though we do it all the time in spoken, and even written, English).

The people on the basketball team are taller than those on the baseball team.

The ancient monuments are more sacred than the modern ones.

You wouldn't replace "ones" in the second sentence with "those," right? By the same token, don't replace "those" in the first sentence with "ones." So, if you can use "those," don't replace it with "ones" instead. (And, obviously, check the rest of each choice to see what else you can use.) :)
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by goelmohit2002 » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:28 am
Stacey Koprince wrote:
Is there any rule regarding the usage of ones that is tested in GMAT ? I know of only one i.e. "You" and "one" cannot be mixed in a sentence....Please tell if there are any more rules to this or there any gaps in my understanding....e.g.
You're right that we shouldn't use "one" and "you" interchangeably in a sentence.

In general, we also shouldn't use "those" and "ones" interchangeably (though we do it all the time in spoken, and even written, English).

The people on the basketball team are taller than those on the baseball team.

The ancient monuments are more sacred than the modern ones.

You wouldn't replace "ones" in the second sentence with "those," right? By the same token, don't replace "those" in the first sentence with "ones." So, if you can use "those," don't replace it with "ones" instead. (And, obviously, check the rest of each choice to see what else you can use.) :)
Thanks Stacey.

But can you please tell what is the problem in the below sentence ?

The people on the basketball team are taller than "[the]" "ones" on the baseball team.

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by Stacey Koprince » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:38 pm
Ah, you could say "the ones" in the basketball sentence, yes. But you couldn't use just the word "ones."
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by goelmohit2002 » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:49 pm
Stacey Koprince wrote:Ah, you could say "the ones" in the basketball sentence, yes. But you couldn't use just the word "ones."
:)
Thanks Stacey.

But can you please tell what difference this "the" creates ?
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by parachuter2b » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:57 pm
Stacey Koprince wrote:
Is there any rule regarding the usage of ones that is tested in GMAT ? I know of only one i.e. "You" and "one" cannot be mixed in a sentence....Please tell if there are any more rules to this or there any gaps in my understanding....e.g.
You're right that we shouldn't use "one" and "you" interchangeably in a sentence.

In general, we also shouldn't use "those" and "ones" interchangeably (though we do it all the time in spoken, and even written, English).

The people on the basketball team are taller than those on the baseball team.

The ancient monuments are more sacred than the modern ones.

You wouldn't replace "ones" in the second sentence with "those," right? By the same token, don't replace "those" in the first sentence with "ones." So, if you can use "those," don't replace it with "ones" instead. (And, obviously, check the rest of each choice to see what else you can use.) :)
Stacey,

I'm totally confused! don't we have to mention both sides of the comparison?

Choice B in this problem would be the same as leaving the 2nd part empty in your example above:
The people on the basketball team are taller than on the baseball team.

which would be incorrect no?
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