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by sam2304 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:39 am
Thanks a lot for detailed explanation Mitch :)
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by abcgmat » Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:32 am
This is a great explanation. Thanks a lot
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by essaysnark » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:07 am
Just wanted to call attention to something very important here:
GMATGuruNY wrote:Thus, in the SC posted above, I would be skeptical of A, C, and D. B and E are better, since in each the referent of she (Barbara Jordan) BEGINS the clause that follows the introductory modifier.
As discussed in detail above, the reason that A and D are incorrect is because the independent clauses are not complete sentences. In the case of C, the ONLY reason it is wrong is due to a grammar error at the end (the "hearings / was" error). Except for that subject/verb agreement at the end, which is obviously wholly unrelated to pronoun/antecedent, sentence C is a grammatically correct sentence even though "Barbara Jordan" is not in the first position after the comma.

The errors in this problem have nothing to do with this particular pronoun/antecedent issue. Yes, you can use that test to see which ones might be "suspicious" answers, but using that alone you would not get to the right answer for the right reason.

In other words, maybe it woulda worked for you here, but you can't rely on it as a complete test in any problem.

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by abcgmat » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:29 pm
Although various eighteenth- and nineteenth-century
American poets had professed an interest in Native
American poetry and had pretended to imitate Native
American forms in their own works, until almost 1900,
scholars and critics did not begin seriously to study

traditional Native American poetry in native
languages.
(A) until almost 1900, scholars and critics did not
begin seriously to study
(B) until almost 1900 scholars and critics had not
begun seriously studying
(C) not until almost 1900 were scholars and critics
to begin seriously to study
(D)it was not almost until 1900 when scholars and
critics began to seriously study
(E) it was not until almost 1900 that scholars and
critics seriously began studying

This OG problem doesnot begin the the subject(scholars and critics).
None of the choices begin with the subject.
GMATGuruNY, can you let us know your opinion on this
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by GMATGuruNY » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:27 am
abcgmat wrote:Although various eighteenth- and nineteenth-century
American poets had professed an interest in Native
American poetry and had pretended to imitate Native
American forms in their own works, until almost 1900,
scholars and critics did not begin seriously to study

traditional Native American poetry in native
languages.
(A) until almost 1900, scholars and critics did not
begin seriously to study
(B) until almost 1900 scholars and critics had not
begun seriously studying
(C) not until almost 1900 were scholars and critics
to begin seriously to study
(D)it was not almost until 1900 when scholars and
critics began to seriously study
(E) it was not until almost 1900 that scholars and
critics seriously began studying

This OG problem doesnot begin the the subject(scholars and critics).
None of the choices begin with the subject.
GMATGuruNY, can you let us know your opinion on this
The introductory phrase here does not contain a pronoun lacking an antecedent -- the antecedent of their is POETS -- so my post above is not applicable.

For an explanation of the OA to this SC, check my post here:

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by lunarpower » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:14 pm
i will re-quote mitch here for emphasis:
GMATGuruNY wrote:
abcgmat wrote:Essatsnark and others

Thanks a lot for the reply, Yes thats pretty much what I wanted to to clarify.
Should Barbara Jordan be required immediately after 'Although....,BJ)
If C had 'were' for hearings would it be correct answer or would it still be wrong as it is followed by 'It was not until..' and not 'Barbara Jordan' after comma.

From the posts, I am still confused as few have opinion that
it is required for Barbara Jordan to be followed after first comma(like sam2304 ) and few say its not required( like Essatsnark)
Check the following examples from the OG12:

Q7: As ITS sales of computer products have surpassed those of measuring instruments, THE COMPANY...
Q28: Building on civilizations that preceded THEM in coastal Peru, THE MOHICA...
Q31: Even though many of HER colleagues were convinced that genes were relatively simple and static, BARBARA MCCLINTOCK...

In each case, the introductory modifier includes a pronoun without an antecedent. In each case, the referent BEGINS the clause that immediately follows.

Thus, in the SC posted above, I would be skeptical of A, C, and D. B and E are better, since in each the referent of she (Barbara Jordan) BEGINS the clause that follows the introductory modifier.
this is right on. a couple of extra comments:

this is not really the sort of thing for which you should memorize a rule; instead, just think about the clarity/readability of the sentence. remember, the sentence starts with a pronoun that doesn't stand for anyone yet -- creating a degree of uncertainty as to the exact meaning of that pronoun. in this kind of case, a well-written sentence should resolve that issue by supplying an antecedent as soon as reasonably possible.
so, by comparing the answer choices (NOT by trying to memorize a million rules that will inevitably contradict each other), you can figure this one out pretty quickly.

there's also the issue of the logical cohesion of the whole sentence. in particular, barbara jordan is the subject -- both grammatically and in terms of meaning/focus -- of the first clause. since she is also the topic on which the second clause is focused, she should be the subject of that clause, too.
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