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by prachich1987 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:09 am
Facebook's growth is not necessarily a bad thing for Google, which has been coming under increased scrutiny from anti-trust authorities in both the United States and Europe.


Here "which" refers to what?
to google or to facebook's growth?
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by Salman Ghaffar » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:13 am
As a general rule, which always refers to the noun that comes right before it. Hence, in this case it's referring to google.

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by prachich1987 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:14 am
Salman Ghaffar wrote:As a general rule, which always refers to the noun that comes right before it. Hence, in this case it's referring to google.
Thanks for reminding!
I had forgotten a very imp grammar rule

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by muralimba » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:07 pm
prachich1987 wrote:
Salman Ghaffar wrote:As a general rule, which always refers to the noun that comes right before it. Hence, in this case it's referring to google.
Thanks for reminding!
I had forgotten a very imp grammar rule
Not to confuse but to clear:

1) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which helped me to master my SC-skills.

2) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which is one of the trickiest sections in GMAT CAT.

Please specify the reference (Forum/SC) of "Which" in both the above sentences and justify your answer.

Correct the sentence(s) for it's intent meaning, if you think the sentence(s) is/are wrong.

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by prachich1987 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:13 pm
muralimba wrote:
prachich1987 wrote:
Salman Ghaffar wrote:As a general rule, which always refers to the noun that comes right before it. Hence, in this case it's referring to google.
Thanks for reminding!
I had forgotten a very imp grammar rule
Not to confuse but to clear:

1) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which helped me to master my SC-skills.

2) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which is one of the trickiest sections in GMAT CAT.

Please specify the reference (Forum/SC) of "Which" in both the above sentences and justify your answer.

Correct the sentence(s) for it's intent meaning, if you think the sentence(s) is/are wrong.

Regards,
Murali.

Here "which" refers to "Beat the GMAT's forum for SC"

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by prachich1987 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:18 pm
muralimba wrote:
prachich1987 wrote:
Salman Ghaffar wrote:As a general rule, which always refers to the noun that comes right before it. Hence, in this case it's referring to google.
Thanks for reminding!
I had forgotten a very imp grammar rule
Not to confuse but to clear:

1) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which helped me to master my SC-skills.

2) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which is one of the trickiest sections in GMAT CAT.

Please specify the reference (Forum/SC) of "Which" in both the above sentences and justify your answer.

Correct the sentence(s) for it's intent meaning, if you think the sentence(s) is/are wrong.

Regards,
Murali.
Oh the sentence regarding fb which I have posted & the sentences which you have written above are of the same type.
Though we cannot apply the rule reminded by Salman here..
again confused

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by DanaJ » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:22 pm
Man when I first read the title I thought this may be spam... :D

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by EducationAisle » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:27 pm
muralimba wrote:
Not to confuse but to clear:

1) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which helped me to master my SC-skills.

2) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which is one of the trickiest sections in GMAT CAT.

Please specify the reference (Forum/SC) of "Which" in both the above sentences and justify your answer.

Correct the sentence(s) for it's intent meaning, if you think the sentence(s) is/are wrong.

Regards,
Murali.
The first sentence should be:

1) For SC, I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum, which helped me to master my SC-skills.

Or simply:

1) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum, which helped me to master my SC-skills.
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by muralimba » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:27 am
prachich1987 wrote:
muralimba wrote:
prachich1987 wrote:
Salman Ghaffar wrote:As a general rule, which always refers to the noun that comes right before it. Hence, in this case it's referring to google.
Thanks for reminding!
I had forgotten a very imp grammar rule
Not to confuse but to clear:

1) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which helped me to master my SC-skills.

2) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which is one of the trickiest sections in GMAT CAT.

Please specify the reference (Forum/SC) of "Which" in both the above sentences and justify your answer.

Correct the sentence(s) for it's intent meaning, if you think the sentence(s) is/are wrong.

Regards,
Murali.
Oh the sentence regarding fb which I have posted & the sentences which you have written above are of the same type.
Though we cannot apply the rule reminded by Salman here..
again confused
OK. Let me put down my concept.

First of all, "Which" refers to the COMPLETE noun that comes before it(which), if tha clause follows it can not STAND for the nearest noun.

the steps, to be followed, those are derived from the above rule:

step1: Note down the complete noun before "WHICH"
step2: From the complete noun, Note down the noun that is nearst to "WHICH".
step3: Understand the clause after "WHICH"
step4: Verify if that clause can stand for the nearst-noun noted down in step2. If yes, then WHICH refers to that noun
step5: if NO from step5, then WHICH stands for the complete noun (step1) that comes before it.


now back to the quest:
1) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which helped me to master my SC-skills.

2) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which is one of the trickiest sections in GMAT CAT.

This i call "STAND-ALONE" test.

in the first sentence, "Which" rfers to "beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC" as the clause that fallows it can not stand for SC, the nearest noun. In detail, "which" refers to "beat-the-GMAT's forum " which is inparticluar for "SC", not for CR/RC/PS/DS.
WHICH can not refer to SC, the nearest noun, as it is not SC that helped me to master my SC skills but it is the forum.
"Hence, the reference oof which depends upon the intent meaning. "Which", However, always refers to the complete noun before it. A complete noun can be a noun phase.

In the second sentence, "Which" refers to "SC", as the clause that follows it can stand alone for "SC", the nearest noun.

Please verify this theorm against some of the OG qtns.

Please correct me if you think i am wrong.
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Back to the original qtn by Prachich:

Facebook's growth is not necessarily a bad thing for Google, which has been coming under increased scrutiny from anti-trust authorities in both the United States and Europe.

remeber the steps.
step1: Note down the complete noun before "WHICH"
step2: From the complete noun, Note down the noun that is nearst to "WHICH".
step3: Understand the clause after "WHICH"
step4: Verify if that clause can stand for the nearst-noun noted down in step2. If yes, then WHICH refers to that noun
step5: if NO from step5, then WHICH stands for the complete noun (step1) that comes before it.


NOW
Step1: a bad thing for Google
step2: Google
step3: some firm is coming up under increased scrutiny from anti-trust authorities
step4: can the above clause stand for Google --- YES. WHICH refers to google
step5: WHICH can not stand for "a bad thing for google " that is not a firm/organization.

Please verify this theorm against some of the OG qtns.


Regards,
Murali.

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by uwhusky » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:00 am
Hi muralimba,

Can you provide the merit/source behind your "stand-alone test"? Which follows a very strict rule in GMAT, and it always refers to the closest noun.

In your example, "which" as a relative pronoun should only refer to one specific noun. How you modify/describe that particular relative noun cannot change the noun it is referring to, else the sentence will become too confusing to read.

Using your examples and following your rule, imagine the underlined portion has 50+ modifiers + relative pronouns, one cannot possibly identify what the subject is unless you first comprehend the long list of modifiers + various adjectives.

1) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which helped me to master my SC-skills.

2) I really thank beat-the-GMAT's forum for SC, which is one of the trickiest sections in GMAT CAT.
Yep.

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