Probability - 10 marbles

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by sanyalpritish » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:44 pm
Hi Brent,

Can you tell me what is wrong with my approach.

White Or Black.

The girls can select the White ball way:5!=5x4x3x2x1

Total No. ways to select out of 10 balls : 10C5

5!/(10C5)

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by nikmahes » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:50 am
My Answer would be 1/126.

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by AIM GMAT » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:39 am
Brent Hanneson wrote:The answer is, indeed, A (1/126)
Here's my solution:
The easiest/fastest way to determine the probability is to examine the probability of each necessary outcome to guarantee that the girls (and subsequently the boys) draw the same colored marble.
We get [P(1st girl selects any marble) x P(2nd girl selects marble the same color as 1st girl) x P(3nd girl selects marble the same color as 1st girl) x P(4th girl selects marble the same color as 1st girl) x P(5th girl selects marble the same color as 1st girl) x P(boys getting same color ball from remaining balls)
This equals: 1 x 4/9 x 3/8 x 2/7 x 1/6 x 1
Which equals: 1/126
Thanks Bret for a fabulous question and a super cool solution to it , this is the fastest way to approch the question without getting into any complexity.
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by shrikantpatel » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:52 pm
Answer is A. My logical was same as replied by many. Thanks for posting such awesome questions.

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by ranjithreddy.k9 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:59 pm
my take option A 1/126

the probability that all of the girls select white marbles is 5c5/10c5 = 1/252
the probability that all of the girls select black marbles is 5c5/10c5 = 1/252

the ans = 2*1/252 = 1/126

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by pkonduri » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:19 pm
Hey Neeraj,

Why is the probability of a guy picking up the marble 1?
neerajkumar1_1 wrote:I thought of it in a different way...
essentially the answer will be the same...

There will be two required combinations...

WWWWWBBBBB or BBBBBWWWWW

i suppose the key is that one should realize that the prob of boys picking up the ball is 1...

so prob = 5/10 * 4/9 * 3/8 * 2/7 * 1/6 * 2

= 1/126
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by itheenigma » Tue May 17, 2011 7:37 am
because all the remaining marbles are of the same color...
I loved Brent's solution. Matched with my own... :-p

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by [email protected] » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:58 am
Hi Brent can you please tell me that why did you take "1 and 1 later on in the following equation:

1*(4/9)*(3/8)*(2/7)*(1/6)=1/126


According to me it should be (1/10 * 4/9 * 3/8 * 2/7 * 1/6)
Please tell me why the 1 in the beginning wherein it should be (1/10) right as the girl will pick any ball initially.
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by anuragvaid » Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:59 pm
@ Brentt : Thanks for the good question and even better solution !! Simple & effective.....

@NeerajKumar : Ur solution would actually result in 252. U may choose to remove the first 5/10 factor from the equation....

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by hashy » Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:31 pm
Moshum had the best solution to the question.

Probabilty of any event = (no of favorable events)/(total no of events possible)

no of favorable events = Either ALL black OR ALL white
= BBBBB OR WWWWW
= 2

Total no of events possible = 10! / (5!)(5!)
We divide by 5! twice since we have 5 identical items each of one category

reqd Probabilty = 2/252 = 1/126

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by mirandalove » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:48 am
Hello,

I understand all but the 1st and last components of the equation. Why is it 1 for the time that the first girl picks out marbles? Is it because she has 10 out of 10 chances? Additionally, why do we need to include the probability of the remaining marbles for the boys to pick? Thanks

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by winniethepooh » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:01 pm
Can the question not be solved in this way ?

The first girl can choose any marble in 10 ways
second girl in 4 ways
third girl in 3 ways
forth girl in 2 ways
and fifth in 1 ways

Coming to boys:
The first can select in 5 ways
second in 4 ways
third in 3 ways
fourth in 2 ways
and fifth in 1 way

I just need to know what number should this whole thing be divided by?

I understand accepting new ways to solve problems, but somwthing we've already learn should also work right?

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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:35 am
Brent@GMATPrepNow wrote:Source: Magoosh Practice Questions

A bag contains 5 white marbles and 5 black marbles. If each of 5 girls and 5 boys randomly selects and keeps a marble, what is the probability that all of the girls select the same colored marble?
a) 1/126
b) 1/120
c) 1/24
d) 4/25
e) 1/2
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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:42 am
winniethepooh wrote:Can the question not be solved in this way ?

The first girl can choose any marble in 10 ways
second girl in 4 ways
third girl in 3 ways
forth girl in 2 ways
and fifth in 1 ways

Coming to boys:
The first can select in 5 ways
second in 4 ways
third in 3 ways
fourth in 2 ways
and fifth in 1 way


I just need to know what number should this whole thing be divided by?

I understand accepting new ways to solve problems, but somwthing we've already learn should also work right?
Hi Winneiethepooh,

You're on the right track with this. Here you are using counting techniques to answer the question.

In your solution, you are essentially treating each ball as a distinct (unique) object, where selecting one white marble is different from selecting a different white marble.

So, we can consider the marbles as W1, W2, W3, W4, W5, B1, B2, B3, B4, B5, where selecting B1 is different from selecting B2.

Okay, so P(girls get same color) = [# of outcomes where girls get same color] / [total # of outcomes]

You have already calculated the number of outcomes where girls get same color.
This equals 10*4*3*2*1*5*4*3*2*1

Now we need to determined the total number of possible outcomes.
Well, the first child can select a marble in 10 ways
The next child can select a marble in 9 ways (since the first child already took a marble)
The next child can select a marble in 8 ways
The next child can select a marble in 7 ways
etc.
So the total number of possible outcomes = 10!

This means that P(girls get same color) = [10*4*3*2*1*5*4*3*2*1] / [10!]
= 1/126

Tons of work here, but the solution is the same.

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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:53 am
[email protected] wrote:Hi Brent can you please tell me that why did you take "1 and 1 later on in the following equation:

1*(4/9)*(3/8)*(2/7)*(1/6)=1/126

According to me it should be (1/10 * 4/9 * 3/8 * 2/7 * 1/6)
Please tell me why the 1 in the beginning wherein it should be (1/10) right as the girl will pick any ball initially.
Hi Amit,

You're missing something from my calculations.
It should be 1 x 4/9 x 3/8 x 2/7 x 1/6 x 1

The first 1 is the probability that the 1st girl selects any marble
The probability that she selects any marble is 1. In other words, we can guarantee that she will definitely select any marble.

The last 1 is the probability that the boys get same color marble from remaining marbles.
In our calculations, we are assuming that all of the girls choose the same colored marble. So, once the girls have selected their marbles, the 5 remaining marbles must be the same color.
If the 5 remaining marbles are the same color, the boys are guaranteed to all get the same color.
So, the probability that the boys get same colored marble = 1

I hope that helps.

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