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Club Problem

by vamsigmat2012 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:20 am
Each of the 59 members in a high school class is required to sign up for a minimum of one and a maximum of three academic clubs. The three clubs to choose from are the poetry club, the history club, and the writing club. A total of 22 students sign up for the poetry club, 27 students for the history club, and 28 students for the writing club. If 6 students sign up for exactly two clubs, how many students sign up for all three clubs?

(a)2
(b)5
(c)6
(d)8
(e)9

How to solve this ? I couldn't get the answer.
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by winniethepooh » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:33 am
The answer is 6.

The total number of members = 59 distributed into --- 22(poetry), 27(history), and 28 (writing).
Now total the number of distributed members = 77(this number includes the number of students counted twice and counted thrice.
Out of 77 deduct 6 for members who have enrolled in two clubs = 71 now deduct 59 (for actual number of members)= 12 = members counted thrice.
But wait, this number includes members who have been counted thrice (As 6 into 2 gives you 12), the answer is 6.
Hence, C.
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by Frankenstein » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:41 am
Hi,

Let e1 be the number of students who signed up for exactly 1 club
Let e2 be the number of students who signed up for exactly 2 clubs
Let e3 be the number of students who signed up for exactly 3 clubs
Now, e1+e2+e3 = 59
e1+2e2+3e3 = 22+27+28 = 77
Given that e2 =6
Subtract one equation from the other, we get e2+2e3 = 18 =>6+2e3 = 18 =>e3 = 6

Hence, C
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by yogeshwadhwa » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:20 am
Answer is 2

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by winniethepooh » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:32 am
@ Frankenstine: The answer is 2 not 6..
6 counts remain in the end, but they are 2 members counted thrice!
Correct me if I am wrong!

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by winniethepooh » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:40 am
I made a mistake, my bad.
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by Frankenstein » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:42 am
winniethepooh wrote:The answer is 2.

The total number of members = 59 distributed into --- 22(poetry), 27(history), and 28 (writing).
Now total the number of distributed members = 77(this number includes the number of students counted twice and counted thrice.
Out of 77 deduct 12 for members who have enrolled in two clubs = 65 now deduct 59 (for actual number of members)= 6 = members counted thrice.
But weight this number includes members who have been counted thrice (As 3 into 2 gives you 6), the answer is 2.
Hence, A.
Hi,
You are subtracting all the members instead of subtracting the ones choosing exactly one club(counting once). Think about it!
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by winniethepooh » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:44 am
Thanks a lot Frank!

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by knight247 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:24 am
Always prepare a venn diagram for such problems. Makes it easier to understand.
Here is the venn diagram of ur problem.
Poetry, History and Writing abbreviated as P, H and W respectively

As per formula in a 3 circle venn diagram

Total number of students=P+H+W-{(P Intersection H)+(P Intersection W)+(H Intersection W)}
-2(P Intersection H Intersection W)+number of ppl in no club ....(1)


(P Intersection H) + (P Intersection w) + (H Intersection W) = 6..... (Number of ppl enrolled in exactly two groups is 6)

Also, P+H+W=77 and total number of students=59 and all students have to compulsorily join one club hence 'number of ppl in no club'=0

substituting these values in (1)

59=77-6-2(P Intersection H Intersection W)+0


2(P Intersection H Intersection W)=71-59=12

(P Intersection H Intersection W)=6

So number of students in all six groups is 6....hence C
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by amit2k9 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:54 pm
22+27+28-6-2x = 59
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2x= 12 meaning x=6.
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by pankajks2010 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:50 pm
knight247 wrote: Total number of students=P+H+W-{(P Intersection H)+(P Intersection W)+(H Intersection W)}
-2(P Intersection H Intersection W)+number of ppl in no club
Hi there, Please can you explain why you have taken 2 in the last part of the above mentioned formula??

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by knight247 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:07 pm
pankajks2010 wrote:
knight247 wrote: Total number of students=P+H+W-{(P Intersection H)+(P Intersection W)+(H Intersection W)}
-2(P Intersection H Intersection W)+number of ppl in no club
Hi there, Please can you explain why you have taken 2 in the last part of the above mentioned formula??
That is simply a variation of the formula. Read the following link for more info

https://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-problem ... rmula.html


I am abbreviating Intersection with I.Refer to my venn diagram while reading this explanation
From the problem, it is given that no of ppl in exactly two clubs is 6.
i.e. (P I H) + (P I W) + (H I W)=6 .....(1)
Correct? Well, not exactly... because (P I H) + (P I W) + (H I W) contains (P I H I W) thrice coz the intersection of each circle with the subsequent circle contains (P I H I W). Therefore three intersections will contain (P I H I W) thrice. So from the above statement we have to deduct
3(P I H I W). making it

(P I H) + (P I W) + (H I W)-3(P I H I W)=6
(P I H) + (P I W) + (H I W)=6 + 3(P I H I W).....(2)

Plug this into our regular statement of

Total no of items=P+H+W-{(P I H) + (P I W) + (H I W)}+(P I H I W)+Ppl in no group

We Get,

Total no of items=P+H+W-{6 + 3(P I H I W)}+(P I H I W)+Ppl in no group

Total no of items=P+H+W- 6 - 3(P I H I W)+(P I H I W)+Ppl in no group

Total no of items=P+H+W- 6 - 2(P I H I W)+Ppl in no group

Rest is just value subtitution. All clear?

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by knight247 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:27 pm