Sentence Correction

Stuart Kovinsky wrote:

sulabh wrote:I think A is right.
Despite the growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will still use travel agents.

A. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will
B. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would (misplaced)
C. growing number of people purchasing plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, many travelers will (AKWARD and meaning is changed)
D. fact that the number of people purchasing plane tickets online is growing, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would 9misplaced)
E. fact that the number of people who purchase plane tickets online are growing, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers compared with automatic teller machines, many travelers would

Can we have the OA ?

Great breakdown of the wrong answers! (A) should be the accredited choice.

mmslf75 wrote:I think A is right.
Despite the growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will still use travel agents.

A. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will
B. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would (misplaced)
C. growing number of people purchasing plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, many travelers will (AKWARD and meaning is changed)
D. fact that the number of people purchasing plane tickets online is growing, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would 9misplaced)
E. fact that the number of people who purchase plane tickets online are growing, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers compared with automatic teller machines, many travelers would

Firstly,
How can we choose... option containing WILL ..when its know that any thing said in past abt future will take WOULD..

Here, CONVINCED THAT....(past) therefore answer should be B na ???

Secondly, i have read somewhere that its OK to use "comma+that" when the THAT is not addressing the middle modifier or sentence fragment..

mmslf75 wrote:

Stuart Kovinsky wrote:

sulabh wrote:I think A is right.
Despite the growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will still use travel agents.

A. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will
B. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would (misplaced)
C. growing number of people purchasing plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, many travelers will (AKWARD and meaning is changed)
D. fact that the number of people purchasing plane tickets online is growing, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would 9misplaced)
E. fact that the number of people who purchase plane tickets online are growing, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers compared with automatic teller machines, many travelers would

Can we have the OA ?

Great breakdown of the wrong answers! (A) should be the accredited choice.

Firstly,
How can we choose... option containing WILL ..when its know that any thing said in past abt future will take WOULD..

Here, CONVINCED THAT....(past) therefore answer should be B na ???

Secondly, i have read somewhere that its OK to use "comma+that" when the THAT is not addressing the middle modifier or sentence fragment..

i'm looking for a TV that costs less than $200.
you can write
i'm looking for a TV, with a remote, that costs less than $200.
here it appears that there's a "comma + that", but this is mostly an illusion: the comma before "that" isn't actually part of the main structure at all. it's used only to block off the modifier.

https://www.beatthegmat.com/comma-that-n ... 49361.html

Stuart Kovinsky wrote:

mmslf75 wrote:I think A is right.
Despite the growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will still use travel agents.

A. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, many travelers will
B. growing number of people who purchase plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would (misplaced)
C. growing number of people purchasing plane tickets online, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, many travelers will (AKWARD and meaning is changed)
D. fact that the number of people purchasing plane tickets online is growing, airline executives are convinced, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers as compared to automatic teller machines, that many travelers would 9misplaced)
E. fact that the number of people who purchase plane tickets online are growing, airline executives are convinced that, just as one-third of bank customers still prefer human tellers compared with automatic teller machines, many travelers would

Firstly,
How can we choose... option containing WILL ..when its know that any thing said in past abt future will take WOULD..

Here, CONVINCED THAT....(past) therefore answer should be B na ???

It's not the past tense, you ignored the key tense word:

"are convinced that"

which makes it the present.

"I am convinced that..."
"He is convinced that..."
"They are convinced that..."

are all in the present tense.

Secondly, i have read somewhere that its OK to use "comma+that" when the THAT is not addressing the middle modifier or sentence fragment..

This statement is correct, but that doesn't mean we always should do so; moving around modifiers often changes the meaning of the sentence and since the original is grammatically correct, and makes sense, any answer that changes the meaning is wrong.

mmslf75 wrote:"are convinced that" also contains, CONVINCED which is past right ?

Stuart Kovinsky wrote:

mmslf75 wrote:"are convinced that" also contains, CONVINCED which is past right ?

No... to be honest, I don't know what the official grammatical terminology is (you never need to know technical language for the GMAT!), but even though "convinced" sounds like the past, it's not.

I was convinced;
I am convinced;and
I will be convinced

are examples of the past, present and future, respectively, but all use "convinced" as part of the construction.

There are other words that work the same way, such as "tired" and "reduced"; what they all have in common is that they describe states of being and require the verb "to be" first. The form of the verb "to be" that you use determines the tense of the action.

mmslf75 wrote:

Stuart Kovinsky wrote:

mmslf75 wrote:"are convinced that" also contains, CONVINCED which is past right ?

No... to be honest, I don't know what the official grammatical terminology is (you never need to know technical language for the GMAT!), but even though "convinced" sounds like the past, it's not.

I was convinced;
I am convinced;and
I will be convinced

are examples of the past, present and future, respectively, but all use "convinced" as part of the construction.

There are other words that work the same way, such as "tired" and "reduced"; what they all have in common is that they describe states of being and require the verb "to be" first. The form of the verb "to be" that you use determines the tense of the action.

Ok...
By saying TO BE VERBS u mean basic forms of VERBS ??
Can u give examples please!!

Stuart Kovinsky wrote:

mmslf75 wrote:

Stuart Kovinsky wrote:

mmslf75 wrote:"are convinced that" also contains, CONVINCED which is past right ?

No... to be honest, I don't know what the official grammatical terminology is (you never need to know technical language for the GMAT!), but even though "convinced" sounds like the past, it's not.

I was convinced;
I am convinced;and
I will be convinced

are examples of the past, present and future, respectively, but all use "convinced" as part of the construction.

There are other words that work the same way, such as "tired" and "reduced"; what they all have in common is that they describe states of being and require the verb "to be" first. The form of the verb "to be" that you use determines the tense of the action.

Ok...
By saying TO BE VERBS u mean basic forms of VERBS ??
Can u give examples please!!

Umm.. I just gave a bunch of examples... heh.

I was tired/I am tired/I will be tired.

Taxes were reduced/Taxes are reduced/Taxes will be reduced.

He was convinced/He is convinced/He will be convinced.

In all of those cases, the part of the sentence that you're thinking of as a verb ("tired", "reduced", "convinced") is actually the object of the verb "to be", in much the same way "happy" is the object of "to be" in the sentence "He is happy".

So, the action in all of those sentences is "being" and the following word ("tired", "reduced", "convinced") is simply what you are being, not when you are being it.

lunarpower wrote:

Stuart Kovinsky wrote:

mmslf75 wrote:

Stuart Kovinsky wrote:

mmslf75 wrote:"are convinced that" also contains, CONVINCED which is past right ?

No... to be honest, I don't know what the official grammatical terminology is (you never need to know technical language for the GMAT!), but even though "convinced" sounds like the past, it's not.

I was convinced;
I am convinced;and
I will be convinced

are examples of the past, present and future, respectively, but all use "convinced" as part of the construction.

There are other words that work the same way, such as "tired" and "reduced"; what they all have in common is that they describe states of being and require the verb "to be" first. The form of the verb "to be" that you use determines the tense of the action.

Ok...
By saying TO BE VERBS u mean basic forms of VERBS ??
Can u give examples please!!

Umm.. I just gave a bunch of examples... heh.

I was tired/I am tired/I will be tired.

Taxes were reduced/Taxes are reduced/Taxes will be reduced.

He was convinced/He is convinced/He will be convinced.

In all of those cases, the part of the sentence that you're thinking of as a verb ("tired", "reduced", "convinced") is actually the object of the verb "to be", in much the same way "happy" is the object of "to be" in the sentence "He is happy".

So, the action in all of those sentences is "being" and the following word ("tired", "reduced", "convinced") is simply what you are being, not when you are being it.

yeah.

in fact, stuart is basically just giving you a summary of the passive voice.
that's all these verbs are: passive verbs.

i was convinced --> past, passive
i had been convinced --> past perfect, passive
i am convinced --> present, passive
i have been convinced --> present perfect, passive
i would be convinced --> conditional, passive
(it is important that) i be convinced --> subjunctive, passive
etc.
etc.

these verbs can take every tense that's possible for normal "active" verbs.

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in any case:

if you see
studies have shown that...
X said that...
people believe that...
X has found that...
etc.

these are just "WARMUPS" and can be completely ignored in any treatment of the grammar of the sentence.

they don't even affect verb tense:
studies have found that X happened
studies have found that X currently happens
studies have found that X will happen
studies have found that X had happened (before Y happened)
studies have found that X has happened
studies have found that X would have happened (if Y had happened)
etc.

papgust wrote:mmslf,

Please don't "quote" a mighty long text. It's too frustrating to keep scrolling the page to read posts.

You could quote specifically if you want to point something.