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no pronoun error ... usage of that is wrong ?

by mharv » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:50 pm
There is no pronoun error in A.

"scientists hope that will enable them to" .. them refers to the scientists

"make ever more precise measurements, :roll: that :roll: scientists hope"

scientists hope is based on the measurements ... which is not true :!: :!:

Spacecraft orbits X and get measurements, scientists hope that the Y theory will get solved.
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by cramya » Sun May 03, 2009 3:04 pm
Can one of the experts please provide their thoughts on A and C?

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by Jose Ferreira » Mon May 04, 2009 10:36 am
Hi all,

A lot of controversy on this one.
The Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous (NEAR) spacecraft will orbit the asteroid Eros for a year, slowly moving closer to the surface of the object to make ever more precise measurements that scientists hope will enable them to understand how the solar system formed some four billion years ago.

A. to make ever more precise measurements that scientists hope will enable them to
B. to make ever more and more precise measurements, which scientists are hoping to enable them
C. for making ever more precise measurements, and scientists hope that they will be able to
D. with the purpose of making more precise measurements than ever, and which scientists hope will enable them to
E. in order to make more precise measurements than it ever did, and scientists are hoping they will be able to
You're right on the mark in ruling out B, D, and E. A quick review of these:

B: "ever more and more precise" is redundant and idiomatically incorrect. "Ever more" and "more and more" have approximately the same meaning, but these constructions can't be put together. Furthermore, in "scientists are hoping to enable them," the pronoun "them" can't grammatically refer back to "scientists," but the meaning of the sentence requires that it do so.

D: "with the purpose of making more precise measurements than ever" is suspiciously wordy (though not enough to rule out this choice except by comparison with others). The bigger problem is the "and" before "which" -- to what is "and" connecting the "which" clause? There's no other relative clause modifying "measurements," so this "and" is incorrect.

E: "more precise measurements than it ever did" creates a verb tense problem. The idiom "ever more precise" means that the measurements will become more and more precise as time goes by, while E suggests that the spacecraft's measurements used to be less precise, and will now become more precise. However, E lacks the sense of continuing improvement that the other answer choices contain.

Furthermore, the creation of a compound sentence (", and scientists are hoping...") eliminates the direct connection between the measurements and scientific understanding that is present in the original sentence.

On to C and A. I believe that A is the winner here.

The second problem with answer choice E also affects choice C. The compound sentence structure links two ideas that each function on their own as complete thoughts. Therefore, choice C creates a sentence containing two separate ideas:
#1) A spacecraft is going to make some especially precise measurements.
#2) Scientists sure hope that they will learn how the solar system formed.

Choice A creates a clear relationship between these two ideas; the measurements are what make it possible for scientists to understand the formation of the solar system.

Furthermore, the beginning of choice C is worded in an awkward and idiomatically incorrect way. In A, "to make" functions as an adverb modifying "moving." "For making" cannot function in this way; this modifier phrase will work like an adjective in the vast majority of cases ("his talent for making pancakes..." -- "for making" modifies "talent").

Hope this clears things up!
Jose Ferreira
Founder and CEO, Knewton, Inc.
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by arora007 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:22 pm
The OA marked as C is incorrect , the answer should be A, see this post by RON

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by diebeatsthegmat » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:49 pm
avenus wrote:but what about for making in C??

... slowly moving closer to the surface of the object for making ever more precise measurements, and scientists hope that they will be able to understand how the solar system formed some four billion years ago.

It sounds pretty awkward to me. Any thoughts?

I also prefer A, although that "them" at the end is somewhat ambiguous and pisses me off a bit... It's clear by the context that it refers to scientists but it could be seen as one of those "pronoun reference" traps GMAT test writers are so keen on...
for making is not awkward because here for is used like " to"
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by crackinggmat » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:11 am
Oa IS A , u can google and find excellent explanatuon by Ron ....
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by bendaniel » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:23 am
@ Jose.... Thank U very much for the clarification... :)
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by pesfunk » Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:30 pm
OA must be A.

Please see the link below to find the explanation:
https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/nea ... t7217.html
raptor84 wrote:The Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous (NEAR) spacecraft will orbit the asteroid Eros
for a year, slowly moving closer to the surface of the object to make ever more precise
measurements that scientists hope will enable them to
understand how the solar
system formed some four billion years ago.

A. to make ever more precise measurements that scientists hope will enable them
to
B. to make ever more and more precise measurements, which scientists are
hoping to enable them
C. for making ever more precise measurements, and scientists hope that they will
be able to
D. with the purpose of making more precise measurements than ever, and which
scientists hope will enable them to
E. in order to make more precise measurements than it ever did, and scientists are
hoping they will be able to
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by sachindia » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:51 pm
Jose Ferreira wrote:Hi all,

A lot of controversy on this one.
The Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous (NEAR) spacecraft will orbit the asteroid Eros for a year, slowly moving closer to the surface of the object to make ever more precise measurements that scientists hope will enable them to understand how the solar system formed some four billion years ago.

A. to make ever more precise measurements that scientists hope will enable them to
B. to make ever more and more precise measurements, which scientists are hoping to enable them
C. for making ever more precise measurements, and scientists hope that they will be able to
D. with the purpose of making more precise measurements than ever, and which scientists hope will enable them to
E. in order to make more precise measurements than it ever did, and scientists are hoping they will be able to
You're right on the mark in ruling out B, D, and E. A quick review of these:

B: "ever more and more precise" is redundant and idiomatically incorrect. "Ever more" and "more and more" have approximately the same meaning, but these constructions can't be put together. Furthermore, in "scientists are hoping to enable them," the pronoun "them" can't grammatically refer back to "scientists," but the meaning of the sentence requires that it do so.

D: "with the purpose of making more precise measurements than ever" is suspiciously wordy (though not enough to rule out this choice except by comparison with others). The bigger problem is the "and" before "which" -- to what is "and" connecting the "which" clause? There's no other relative clause modifying "measurements," so this "and" is incorrect.

E: "more precise measurements than it ever did" creates a verb tense problem. The idiom "ever more precise" means that the measurements will become more and more precise as time goes by, while E suggests that the spacecraft's measurements used to be less precise, and will now become more precise. However, E lacks the sense of continuing improvement that the other answer choices contain.

Furthermore, the creation of a compound sentence (", and scientists are hoping...") eliminates the direct connection between the measurements and scientific understanding that is present in the original sentence.

On to C and A. I believe that A is the winner here.

The second problem with answer choice E also affects choice C. The compound sentence structure links two ideas that each function on their own as complete thoughts. Therefore, choice C creates a sentence containing two separate ideas:
#1) A spacecraft is going to make some especially precise measurements.
#2) Scientists sure hope that they will learn how the solar system formed.

Choice A creates a clear relationship between these two ideas; the measurements are what make it possible for scientists to understand the formation of the solar system.

Furthermore, the beginning of choice C is worded in an awkward and idiomatically incorrect way. In A, "to make" functions as an adverb modifying "moving." "For making" cannot function in this way; this modifier phrase will work like an adjective in the vast majority of cases ("his talent for making pancakes..." -- "for making" modifies "talent").

Hope this clears things up!
I always thought more and less should be followed by 'than' and so I eliminated A but these idioms ( 'ever more in this case' )make me choose the wrong answer :(
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Sach
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