Any simpler way to solve this !!!!

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Any simpler way to solve this !!!!

by kaulnikhil » Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:23 am
If x and y are non-zero integers and |x| + |y| = 32, what is xy?

(1) -4x - 12y = 0

(2) |x| - |y| = 16

[spoiler]i took each combination of x and y
x+y = 32
-x -y = 32
x-y =32
-x+ y =32
only one of them satisfies the equation so ans is A
is there any way other way to solve this [/spoiler].
the orginal solution is as follows ..
(1) SUFFICIENT: Statement (1) can be rephrased as follows:

-4x - 12y = 0
-4x = 12y
x = -3y

If x and y are non-zero integers, we can deduce that they must have opposite signs: one positive, and the other negative. Therefore, this last equation could be rephrased as

|x| = 3|y| how can we say this ?????
doesnt this mean 1 x...=3y
2...x = -3y
3...-x =3y
4.. - x = -3y
how can we put x = -3y as |x| = 3|y|???
we cant be sure about the other three


We don't know whether x or y is negative, but we do know that they have the opposite signs. Converting both variables to absolute value cancels the negative sign in the expression x = -3y.

We are left with two equations and two unknowns, where the unknowns are |x| and |y|:

|x| + |y| = 32
|x| - 3|y| = 0

Subtracting the second equation from the first yields

4|y| = 32
|y| = 8

Substituting 8 for |y| in the original equation, we can easily determine that |x| = 24. Because we know that one of either x or y is negative and the other positive, xy must be the negative product of |x| and |y|, or -8(24) = -192.
Source: — Data Sufficiency |

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by m&m » Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:18 pm
agree with the original solution as the best method though the description is a little long-wided.

if you take 1 - you can simplify to:

x=-3y

now we know that x and y will have opposite signs so by multiplying them we will have a negative number. We don't really care WHICH one is -ve and +ve just that their product will be -ve. Now you can substitute the above into the given equation to get:

|y| + |-3y| = 32
|y|+3|y| = 32
4|y| = 32
|y| = 8

now |x| = |-3y|

so |x| = 3|y| = 3*8 = 24

now we can multiply |x|*|y| and we know the sign is -ve from before

hope that didn't confuse things too much

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by shanrizvi » Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:26 pm
Well, this is how I did it. Remember: In DS questions, it is very important to know when to stop calculating! You have to foresee.

Question: What is xy?

Lets look at Statement 1.
-4x -12y = 0
=> x = -3y

This equation tells us that x and y have opposite signs. Regardless of which of the two (x and y) is positive/negative, xy will be negative so we can ignore that. The ratio x:y is 3:1. We know (from the question), that the sum of |x| and |y| is 32. Using the ratio and the sum, we can calculate -|x|*|y| which is equal to xy.

The moment you see that you have the ratio x:y, know that you don't need to know the signs and have the sum of |x| and |y|, you should know that Statement 1 is sufficient.

Statement 2: |x| - |y| = 16

|x| + |y| = 32 (given in the question)

The problem with this statement is that you have absolutely no information about the signs. The moment you see that, you should know that this statement is insufficient.

You can figure out that for the above pair of equations to hold, |x| = 24 and |y| = 8. However, either one of them could be negative or positive (i.e. xy could be negative OR positive). Hence, making it possible to calculate |xy| but not xy.

I solved the pair of equations for |x| and |y| manually.

You know that |x| and |y| should add up to 32 and their difference should be 16. So pick numbers accordingly.

|x| |y| |x|-|y|

30 2 30
26 6 20
24 8 16 (BINGO)